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    Israeli League 2010-2011

    Use this thread for scores, rosters, news & discussions for the Israeli League 2010-2011.

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    Pre-season game, October 1, 2010:

    Maccabi Metula 5, Rishon Devils 2

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    There will be 10 teams in the Israeli League this season -

    Maalot (Montfort)
    Bat Yam (Icebergs)
    Herzliya (Icetime)
    Haifa Hawks
    HC Metula
    Maccabi Metula
    Rehovot (Eagles)
    Rishon Lezion (Devils)
    Holon
    Nes Tsiona

    Notes:

    *League meetings are scheduled for October 5, 2010
    *Rosters are due October 10, 2010
    *Season is supposed to start at the end of October, 2010
    * Number of games per team not yet determined
    * It is possible that the league will split into an "A" division (stronger teams) and a "B" division (weaker teams) - if that happens, it will basically be two different leagues.

    Hopefully the number of games increases rather than decreases, and hopefully the level of play gets stronger as well.

    We'll have to wait and see.

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    they should just have the teams play more games instead of splitting them to groups

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheSwoosh101 View Post
    they should just have the teams play more games instead of splitting them to groups
    Why not do both?

    If you have teams that are much stronger, it won't do the weaker teams any good to get whomped by 10+ goals for half the season. Better to have them play more games against other teams that are closer in strength to themselves.

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    I know it's better, but from what I already experienced with the Israeli Federation, splitting the team to groups will mean less games for everyone.
    I hope things will change soon as it's annoying to play only 9 games per season.

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    Swoosh is right in that there are some rumblings that the groups will be split - with only 4 games per team.

    If that's the case, then Matin will have literally ruined Israeli hockey.

    Hopefully, the teams play a bare minimum of 9 games each.....and even that is unacceptably small.

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    Any other exhibtion games scheduled?

    Anyone know how the meeting went today?

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    Marc btw Metula people are not helping either with random price raises

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    Maybe not, but if the federation can scrape up U.S. $3 million as you claimed in another thread, then that should not be an issue.

    If the league - and the people who run it - have a good relationship with the rink owners, then that should not be an issue.

    If the league - and the people who run it - have a good relationship with the Israeli government departments/ministries that oversee sports, then that should not be an issue.

    In a 10 team league, the teams should be playing a MINIMUM of 18 games each in a proper national league.

    If the budget is much smaller, well, then what is the actual figure the federation budgets for its total operations each year? What is the number? It should be divulged - the Israeli Federation is not Matin's private business enterprise, it is not owned by him, it is rather a nation's national hockey program.........what is the budget it operates under, on average, each year? What is its budget this year?

    Likewise, why doesn't the league get any exposure in the major Israeli newspapers? Why don't the people who run the league have a decent relationship with any of the newspapers or TV stations?

    Why don't the teams all have proper jerseys? Metula's players are all over the place with their jerseys - some wear plain blue, some wear jerseys from organizations in Canada that are blue. Buying 20-25 jerseys for a team isn't a ton of money....again, something the federation can and should help the teams with. At least make them look professional, if nothing else.

    Why is it impossible to get proper stats on the federation's website? Rosters are never available; players' stats are never available; most of the time, it is a huge effort just to get gamescores, and boxscores are never available. Why doesn't the federation show any video clips on its site of league games? It's cheap enough to have a video camera these days.

    The league simply is not run very well, David, and that's an unfortunate fact.

    Simply throwing your hands up in the air and saying "there's no money" isn't an acceptable excuse.

    A lot (not all, but a lot) of my criticisms can be addressed with very little money needed to solve them.

    Either Matin needs to start doing a much better job, or new blood needs to come in to replace him.

    And if neither of those options is going to happen, the Israeli league will reach new lows, and the national program will get dragged down with it.

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    They should also erase some of the rules they made, that pretty much gives no chance at all to get Israeli born hockey coaches here, as every one who wants to be a coach must have at least 400 hours of coaching which is nearly impossible to get here.
    This year we had the first hockey instructors clinic here in israel with about 20 students. The clinic itself wasn't even the Federations idea but was later accepted by the federation. The clinic is basically over but final exams is yet to be announced so the students are still waiting since the 3rd of september.

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    Next week on Friday 22nd Maccabi Metulla is having a team practice which will include: handing out team jerseys and numbers, roster announcement, league rules and schedules and of course BBQ.
    Expect to see some new faces this year.
    Will post news after it happens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc Brunengraber View Post
    Pre-season game, October 1, 2010:

    Maccabi Metula 5, Rishon Devils 2
    Video from this pre-season game filmed by Rishon players
    Apparently they got only one goal filmed
    Enjoy.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iN3uAMw7Wyk

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    Swoosh, that's wonderful stuff! Thanks so much for sharing it.

    Nice to see that the teams are starting to get proper jerseys - it sounds so basic, but having proper jerseys gives the league a more professional (or organized, if you prefer) image, which is very important if it is to ever be promoted to the Israeli public. I thought both jerseys were really nice.

    Also, it's nice clear video that gives people an idea of the league's level..........it's low level, but not as horrendous as some claim (i.e., claiming guys can barely skate, etc.). The pace was good enough to be entertaining to watch.

    It's actually very good considering that the Israeli league teams (other than HC Metula) get literally no team practices on ice, and a completely inadequate number of games. Practicing on cement with inline skates is not the same.

    The only downer in watching was the fact that I am itching to get out there; reminding myself that I nearly played in the league in its very early years, never made it over, and am now 39 years old today (today is my birthday, October 13th)......getting old fast, and soon my chances to ever play in an Israeli league game will be gone. The good news is that I'm still clearly capable of playing in the league......maybe one day before I get too old.

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    Happy Birthday! Marc

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    Happy Birthday!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc Brunengraber View Post
    Swoosh, that's wonderful stuff! Thanks so much for sharing it.

    Nice to see that the teams are starting to get proper jerseys - it sounds so basic, but having proper jerseys gives the league a more professional (or organized, if you prefer) image, which is very important if it is to ever be promoted to the Israeli public. I thought both jerseys were really nice.

    Also, it's nice clear video that gives people an idea of the league's level..........it's low level, but not as horrendous as some claim (i.e., claiming guys can barely skate, etc.). The pace was good enough to be entertaining to watch.

    It's actually very good considering that the Israeli league teams (other than HC Metula) get literally no team practices on ice, and a completely inadequate number of games. Practicing on cement with inline skates is not the same.

    The only downer in watching was the fact that I am itching to get out there; reminding myself that I nearly played in the league in its very early years, never made it over, and am now 39 years old today (today is my birthday, October 13th)......getting old fast, and soon my chances to ever play in an Israeli league game will be gone. The good news is that I'm still clearly capable of playing in the league......maybe one day before I get too old.
    Happy Birthday and good luck

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    Happy Birthday!

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    Thank you, gents!

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    A week away from the start of the season I was told. Anyone have any information on Rosters, Schedule, Standings???

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    Maccabi Metula with friednly game this coming Thursday, against a non-league team.

    1st games tentatively scheduled for November 5

    I asked someone from the federation for rosters, but have not gotten a response back. Sent the letter 2 weeks ago

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    Here's the full Schedule

    Israeli Hockey League Schedule 11/10

    1st Round:

    5/11/10
    19:00 - Bat Yam Icebergs vs. Bat Yam 2 (Holon)
    20:45 - Hc Metula vs. Haifa Hawks
    22:30 - Monfort Ma’alot vs. Rehovot Eagles

    12/11/10
    19:00 - Hc Metula vs. Bat Yam Icebergs
    20:45 - Monfort Ma’alot vs. Bat Yam 2 (Holon)
    22:30 - Herzeliya Ice-Time vs. Maccabi Metulla

    19/11/10
    19:00 - Hc Metula vs. Maccabi Metulla
    20:45 - Monfort Ma’alot vs. Haifa Hawks
    22:30 - Herzeliya Ice-Time vs. Rehovot Eagles

    26/11/10
    19:00 - Hc Metula vs. Bat Yam 2 (Holon)
    20:45 - Bat Yam Icebergs vs. Rehovot Eagles
    22:30 - Haifa Hawks vs. Maccabi Metulla

    10/12/10
    19:00 - Bat Yam Icebergs vs. Monfort Ma’alot
    20:45 - Bat Yam 2 (Holon) vs. Herzeliya Ice-Time
    22:30 - Haifa Hawks vs. Rehovot Eagles

    7/1/11
    19:00 - Bat Yam Icebergs vs. Maccabi Metulla
    20:45 - Bat Yam 2 (Holon) vs. Rehovot Eagles
    22:30 - Herzeliya Ice-Time vs. Hc Metula

    14/1/11
    19:00 - Hc Metula vs. Monfort Ma’alot
    20:45 - Herzeliya Ice-Time vs. Haifa Hawks
    22:30 - Maccabi Metulla vs. Rehovot Eagles

    28/1/11
    18:15 - Maccabi Metulla vs. Monfort Ma’alot
    20:00 - Hc Metula vs. Rehovot Eagles
    21:45 - Bat Yam Icebergs vs. Herzeliya Ice-Time
    23:30 - Bat Yam 2 (Holon) vs. Haifa Hawks

    4/2/11
    19:00 - Maccabi Metulla vs. Bat Yam 2 (Holon)
    20:45 - Bat Yam Icebergs vs. Haifa Hawks
    22:30 - Herzeliya Ice-Time vs. Monfort Ma’alot



    2nd Round - Groups A & B

    Team will be split into 2 groups according to standings.
    Group A: Places 1-4
    Group B: Places 5-8

    Date Group A Group B
    11/2/11 22:30 - 1st place vs. 2nd place 19:00 - 5th place vs. 6th place
    20:45 - 7th place vs. 8th place
    25/2/11 19:00 - 1st place vs. 3rd place
    20:45 - 2nd place vs. 4th place 22:30 - 5th place vs. 7th place
    4/3/11 20:45 - 1st place vs. 4th place
    22:30 - 2nd place vs. 3rd place 19:00 - 6th place vs. 8th place
    25/3/11 22:30 - 4th place vs. 3rd place 19:00 - 5th place vs. 8th place
    20:45 - 6th place vs. 7th place

    Finals:

    Final standings in group A will determine who will play at the finals.
    1/4/11
    3rd place game - 3rd place group A vs. 4th place group A
    Final - 1st place group A vs. 2nd place group A

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    According to this schedule

    all teams will be playing at least 10 games
    those who make it to the finals get 1 more game

    this makes the schedule exactly the same as last year

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    Where's Rishon and Nes Tziona???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hckeyguy25 View Post
    Where's Rishon and Nes Tziona???
    My guess is that they decided not to play after they heard the Teams entry fee this year.

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    That's a shame to lose two teams due to fees......especially Rishon, which is an established team.

    Swoosh, thanks for publishing the schedule.

    Can you post Maccabi Metula's roster, or any of the other rosters?

    How did Maccabi Metula do in its latest friendly - was it a game against a team from the IRHA (Israeli Recreational Hockey Association)?

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    The game was mainly a skirmish between Maccabi Metulla & The IRHA, as some of the IRHA players are also playing with Maccabi Metulla this year(including me). I don't know about the score cause no one keeps track of that during the Thursday night games, but I can say that Maccabi Metulla scored more goals, as far as I remember.

    Maccabi Metulla and the IRHA intend to have these kinda skirmishes and practices together every other week. I hope it will improve the teams, and guys will get to know each other
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    Maccabi Metulla's roster for this year:

    #1 - Eden Nemenov - Goalie
    #2 - Alexey Bykov - Center
    #3 - Vlad Nosankov - Center
    #5 - Daniel Gada - Forward
    #7 - Ido Tahan - Forward
    #8 - Oz Gino - Forward
    #9 - Aviv Glass - Defense
    #10 - Sagi Baffet - Forward
    #12 - Levav Wienberg - Defense
    #14 - Sean Insler - Forward
    #15 - Ariel Tal - Defense
    #16 - Itamar Abugov - Forward
    #18 - Michael Horowitz - Center
    #19 - Avishai Geller - Defense/Assistant
    #20 - Ben Chernie - Forward/Captain
    #22 - Paul Hecht - Defense
    #23 - Nathan Norris - Defense/Assistant
    #24 - Imry Agassi - Forward
    #25 - Raviv Bull - Forward
    #26 - Amit Altman - Forward

    This is the current roster some changes could occur during the season

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheSwoosh101 View Post
    The game was mainly a skirmish between Maccabi Metulla & The IRHA, as some of the IRHA players are also playing with Maccabi Metulla this year(including me). I don't know about the score cause no one keeps track of that during the Thursday night games, but I can say that Maccabi Metulla scored more goals, as far as I remember.

    Maccabi Metulla and the IRHA intend to have these kinda skirmishes and practices together every other week. I hope it will improve the teams, and guys will get to know each other

    Lets just say some of the weaker IRHA players played in this one....

    The score was something like 10-4 from what I heard, Maccabi Metula with 10 obviously

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    Anyone know where artem Korotinis playing, now that Rishon is not particapting in the league?

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    Also, here is partial Roster For Bat Yam Icebergs:

    HC Bat Yam
    Colours Blue/white
    Championships: ??
    Home arena: Canada Center Metula
    Head coach: Dima
    Homepage: http://www.batyamhockey.com

    GOKHBERG MAXIM 98 GOALIE 19/07/1996 - - Ramla, ISRAEL
    GUSIN EUGENY 20 GOALIE 16/06/1968 182 86 Kemirtau, KAZAKHSTAN
    YOUMASHEV YAN 99 FORWARD 03/12/1991 173 65 Dushanbe, UZBEKISTAN
    TREIBOCHAN IDAN 19 FORWARD 27/09/1992 175 62 Rishon le-Zion, ISRAEL
    OREN EMMANUEL 13 DEFENSEMEN 17/06/1986 - - Dunkerque, FRANCE
    BUTBUL NISAN 2 DEFENSEMEN 13/05/1981 - - -
    TOKAR EDUARD 27 DEFENSEMEN 01/01/1966 167 78 Medvezhegorsk, RUSSIA
    PEREZ MEIR 16 FORWARD 16/04/1991 - - -
    PEREZ SHARON 55 DEFENSEMEN 17/07/1980 - - -
    PEREZ SHAY - FORWARD 26/10/1993 - - -
    IAKEL SERGUEI 69 FORWARD 17/11/1973 179 85 Barnaul, RUSSIA
    GREENBERG JOSHUA 25 FORWARD 03/06/1988 180 70 Los Angeles, USA
    NIKOLSKI MIKHAEL 11 FORWARD 05/02/1960 176 100 Nizny Novgorod, RUSSIA
    PANIN VITALY "C" 3 DEFENSEMEN 10/11/1972 182 93 Khabarovsk, RUSSIA

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hckeyguy25 View Post
    Anyone know where artem Korotinis playing, now that Rishon is not particapting in the league?
    Rumors say that Rishon are going to play after all, and the current schedule is going to change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheSwoosh101 View Post
    Rumors say that Rishon are going to play after all, and the current schedule is going to change.
    Really? When will this be finalized, cause as you know, games start Friday

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    I think it's finalized, they are going to be added in the schedule next friday.

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    Hello gentlemen,

    Of course, there are rumors, but as well there are some facts :)

    At present, there is a conflict between (the majority?) of hockey clubs and the IHFI. Having lost a hope to cooperate and to get support from the federation, the management of two HCs, Bat-Yam and Rishon (and I hope, with silent support of other clubs), eventually, sued the IHFI in order to change the way the hockey has been managed in Israel for the last years.

    Today, IMHO, some people from (and close to) IHFI management are doing their best to make the life slightly more difficult for those who "leads the revolution". As a result, some bureaucratic reason was found to sweep the Rishon team (having, probably, one of the best rosters) away from the League.

    And, as Swoosh said, the rumors really say Rishon team will be back soon :)

    Regards,
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheSwoosh101 View Post
    I think it's finalized, they are going to be added in the schedule next friday.
    Are games still on for this Friday?

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    Quote Originally Posted by isralex View Post
    Hello gentlemen,

    Of course, there are rumors, but as well there are some facts :)

    At present, there is a conflict between (the majority?) of hockey clubs and the IHFI. Having lost a hope to cooperate and to get support from the federation, the management of two HCs, Bat-Yam and Rishon (and I hope, with silent support of other clubs), eventually, sued the IHFI in order to change the way the hockey has been managed in Israel for the last years.

    Today, IMHO, some people from (and close to) IHFI management are doing their best to make the life slightly more difficult for those who "leads the revolution". As a result, some bureaucratic reason was found to sweep the Rishon team (having, probably, one of the best rosters) away from the League.

    And, as Swoosh said, the rumors really say Rishon team will be back soon :)

    Regards,
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    Welcome Alex!

    This is getting very interesting!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hckeyguy25 View Post
    Are games still on for this Friday?
    As far as I know they are still scheduled for this Friday.

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    Santa Barbara show goes on.

    IHFI management committee (Matin, Belo, Revniaga, Mindel, Berchikov, Maaravi - we must know our heroes) has accepted a voluntary decision to eliminate Rishon, Nes Ziona, and Tel Mond teams from the League this season.

    The official protocol of the meeting (ended 30 minutess ago) states that the teams have not complied with the league regulations, but no single example or fact of any violation was given.

    Please, rename the topic to M. B. R. League 2010-2011 in honor to the three Stalinist federation managers, as from now on it has very little relation to Israeli league :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by isralex View Post
    Santa Barbara show goes on.

    IHFI management committee (Matin, Belo, Revniaga, Mindel, Berchikov, Maaravi - we must know our heroes) has accepted a voluntary decision to eliminate Rishon, Nes Ziona, and Tel Mond teams from the League this season.

    The official protocol of the meeting (ended 30 minutess ago) states that the teams have not complied with the league regulations, but no single example or fact of any violation was given.

    Please, rename the topic to M. B. R. League 2010-2011 in honor to the three Stalinist federation managers, as from now on it has very little relation to Israeli league :-)
    Too bad to hear such news. The League could have used more games and new faces.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheSwoosh101 View Post
    Too bad to hear such news. The League could have used more games and new faces.
    Tel Mond had a team? That's news to me. I always heard it was going to be a 10 team league, but 11??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hckeyguy25 View Post
    Tel Mond had a team? That's news to me. I always heard it was going to be a 10 team league, but 11??
    It was news for me, too. I've just translated the protocol statement.

    Tel Mond, like Rishon and Nes Ziona, is a center of inline hockey activity, starting from kids of 5 till senior teams. When these clubs succeeded (with almost zero ice time) to build up from scratch youth and junior ice hockey teams, successfully competing with and defeating Metula and Maalot, sending candidates and members to Israeli national teams, showing the ability to manage things right, they started to annoy the "current owners" of Israeli ice hockey. What happens now, you all see.

    One more quote from the protocol sounds like a bad joke: Mr. Maaravi called to eliminate the 3 clubs from the league, and then said in conclusion: "The decision to be taken today should be a lesson for the future, and I believe, that your decision will be right and honest, in accordance with the regulations, and will serve the next seasons(?!), and the promotion of the sport (of hockey)."

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    I believe that all of this is being done because the Federation doesn't want the opposition to have more power, thus brining down all the "current owners".

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    Will post at least the score for the 1st game with possible stats later tonight.

    The season begins tonight!!

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    Bat Yam 8- Holon 1

    As I was leaving, the 2nd game was still in the first, 15:00 left Haifa 0-Metula 0

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    HC Metulla 2, Haifa Hawks 1 (SO)

    Maalot 12, Rehovot Eagles 1

    Standings after last nights games:

    Team----------------GP-W-L-OT-PTS-GF-GA-DIFF
    1. Monfort Ma'alot------1--1-0-0---3--12-1--(+11)
    2. Bat Yam Icebergs-----1--1-0-0---3--8--1--(+7)
    3. Hc Metulla----------1--1-0-0---2--1--1---0
    4. Haifa Hawks---------1--0-0-1---1--1--1---0
    5. Maccabi Metulla------0--0-0-0---0--0--0---0
    6. Herzeliya Ice-Time----0--0-0-0---0--0--0---0
    7. Holon Jet Turtles----1--0-1-0---0--1--8--(-7)
    8. Rehovot Eagles-------1--0-1-0---0--1--12-(-11)
    Last edited by Marc Brunengraber; 07-11-2010 at 17:38. Reason: Corrected scores & one team name

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    Is Holon called "Holon" this season, or have they changed to "Bat Yam Jet Turtles"?

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    Holon Jet Turtles

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheSwoosh101 View Post
    Haifa vs. Hc Metulla ended with the score 1:2 to Metulla, after shootouts.
    Don't know the actual score between Rehovot vs. Ma'alot but I heard it ended like 14:1 to Ma'alot.

    Standings after last nights games:

    Team----------------GP-W-L-OT-PTS-GF-GA-DIFF
    1. Monfort Ma'alot------1--1-0-0---3--14-1--(+13)
    2. Bat Yam Icebergs-----1--1-0-0---3--8--1--(+7)
    3. Hc Metulla----------1--1-0-0---2--1--1---0
    4. Haifa Hawks---------1--0-0-1---1--1--1---0
    5. Maccabi Metulla------0--0-0-0---0--0--0---0
    6. Herzeliya Ice-Time----0--0-0-0---0--0--0---0
    7. Bat Yam Jet Turtles----1--0-1-0---0--1--8--(-7)
    8. Rehovot Eagles-------1--0-1-0---0--1--14-(-13)
    maalot won 12-1/ it was ion the internet on nrg, a israeli sports site

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