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    News from Slovakia

    Peter Bondra - out
    Ján Lašák - out
    Rastislav Staňa - out
    Karol Križan - in doubt

    Richard Stehlík - in
    Miroslav Hlinka - in

    It looks like poor Slovakian team this year... Minnesota fails 0:3 vs. Anaheim. We urgently need Gaborik, Demitra, Radivojevič, but I think all three will be "injured" after play-off...

    Anything to help me: Why could Kolzig play for Germany and Paul Stastny couldnt for Slovakia? I know, that Stastny didnt play two years on Slovakia, but Kolzig didnt play in Germany too.

    My great thanks to our president of SZLH Juraj Široký - former collaborator with komunism organised secret service STB (like KGB in Russia), now "big businessman" with house in Republic of Seychelles. He kick Peter Šťastný out - and this is result: players are "injured" and "tired".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Pablo Ramirez View Post

    My great thanks to our president of SZLH Juraj Široký - former collaborator with komunism organised secret service STB (like KGB in Russia), now "big businessman" with house in Republic of Seychelles. He kick Peter Š?astný out - and this is result: players are "injured" and "tired".
    Interesting. Any media debate on this in Slovakia (I'm referring to the players' defection)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Pablo Ramirez View Post
    ....Anything to help me: Why could Kolzig play for Germany and Paul Stastny couldnt for Slovakia? I know, that Stastny didnt play two years on Slovakia, but Kolzig didnt play in Germany too.......
    Kolzig only has German citizenship (ie, he never acquired Canadian citizenship).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Karsten View Post
    Interesting. Any media debate on this in Slovakia (I'm referring to the players' defection)?
    No media debate or very poor debate, maybe between fans on www.hokej.sk.

    It is like in very old joke:

    Man stay on Red square in Moscow and read newspaper without characters.
    Another man ask him: "Why do you read blank newspaper?
    He answer: "Everything is well-known, characters are needles."

    Fans known, that Peter Šťastný is big person of world ice-hockey with good contacts on general managers of NHL clubs. He secure, for example, start of Pavol Demitra in 2003, when he played with broken thumb.
    Our ice hockey is full of shit and coach Šupler doesnt rescue it. I watch TV few minutes ago , there was report about rift between him and Jan Lašák (gold - silver and bronze from 2002 - 2000 and 2003). Šupler doesnt call him to squad, it is nonsense. I am very disappointed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Karsten View Post
    Interesting. Any media debate on this in Slovakia (I'm referring to the players' defection)?
    this was a favourite topic for the media a year ago. not interesting anymore.


    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Pablo Ramirez View Post
    My great thanks to our president of SZLH Juraj Široký - former collaborator with komunism organised secret service STB (like KGB in Russia), now "big businessman" with house in Republic of Seychelles. He kick Peter Šťastný out - and this is result: players are "injured" and "tired".
    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Pablo Ramirez View Post
    Fans known, that Peter Šťastný is big person of world ice-hockey with good contacts on general managers of NHL clubs. He secure, for example, start of Pavol Demitra in 2003, when he played with broken thumb.
    with all respect for stastny as a hockey player, i can't stand him as a person. this whole siroky-stastny issue is beyond my comprehension. stastny seems to me like a small child when other kids don't want to play with him. i'd rather see him do his work at the european parliament.

    as for siroky, i thought his stb file was lost - has it been found yet? and does it matter? he is a rich guy (how he got rich is a different issue - although you should consider that it is so in every country in transition that there are people who earn a lot of money very easily) with a lot of contacts. to me, it sounds like a great candidate for the position he holds. i'm not saying he's perfect and does only good things - i don't know him. but we are living in a country of five million, where everybody knows everybody - we'll never get rid of nepotism. you'll always have people doing favours to their friends, family, whoever. i don't know, but has he been sentenced for something? or is it just the "slovak logic" - big house abroad + expensive car + much money = criminal - responsible for your "hatred" towards this man?

    and now back to tpoic :) - which player is tired this year? why is halak back in europe if according to your theory he should be playing in hamilton because only stastny can talk to people over there?


    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Pablo Ramirez View Post
    Our ice hockey is full of shit and coach Šupler doesnt rescue it. I watch TV few minutes ago , there was report about rift between him and Jan Lašák (gold - silver and bronze from 2002 - 2000 and 2003). Šupler doesnt call him to squad, it is nonsense. I am very disappointed.
    i think this was rather a misunderstanding between the two of them. but the fact is that lasak is not 100% ok and probably supler didn't know about stana and krizan by that time. however, even if supler decided he didn't want lasak on the team, it's supler who's responsible for the performance at the wc so let him make his own decissions. (not that i wouldn't be wtf-cking if he just kicked him out of the squad without a reason)



    try to see the cup half-full and not half-empty, man

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    To Indulgeo: I respect your opinion, but I dont understand.

    Peter Šťastný is the man, who fought on ice, when our national team was in second division or with brother Anton in Sheffield 1994 (olympic qualification). He played on WOG 1994 in Lillehammer and was third best scorer of tournament (5+4 in 9 games).

    I wont write about Juraj Široký, because this is forum about ice-hockey and not about defrauders.

    Peter Štastný for Sport-express: "My son Paul could play for Slovakia. If people from SZĽH (Slovak ice-hockey association) have really interest, they could try to take the initiative of change the rules. But our association has no interest about our national team. President of SZĽH is uncompetent person, former communist. He has full control over slovak ice-hockey and I have fear, what he could to damage."

    Marián Hossa, Marián Gáborik, Pavol Demitra, Branko Radivojevič and Ronald Petrovický are free to play on World Championship. With first line - Hossa, Demitra, Gáborik - we will have great chance to take the medail. Without this line we are only average team.

    National team coach Július Šupler: "I phoned with Marián Hossa, he take two days to make final decision." About other player: "I am sad, that Peter Budaj isnt in the team. Many other players from Canada or USA would like to play with such light groin injury. He disappointed me."

    Yes, there are some very, very bad things in our ice-hockey...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Pablo Ramirez View Post
    To Indulgeo: I respect your opinion, but I dont understand.

    Peter Šťastný is the man, who fought on ice, when our national team was in second division or with brother Anton in Sheffield 1994 (olympic qualification). He played on WOG 1994 in Lillehammer and was third best scorer of tournament (5+4 in 9 games).

    I wont write about Juraj Široký, because this is forum about ice-hockey and not about defrauders.

    Peter Štastný for Sport-express: "My son Paul could play for Slovakia. If people from SZĽH (Slovak ice-hockey association) have really interest, they could try to take the initiative of change the rules. But our association has no interest about our national team. President of SZĽH is uncompetent person, former communist. He has full control over slovak ice-hockey and I have fear, what he could to damage."

    Marián Hossa, Marián Gáborik, Pavol Demitra, Branko Radivojevič and Ronald Petrovický are free to play on World Championship. With first line - Hossa, Demitra, Gáborik - we will have great chance to take the medail. Without this line we are only average team.

    National team coach Július Šupler: "I phoned with Marián Hossa, he take two days to make final decision." About other player: "I am sad, that Peter Budaj isnt in the team. Many other players from Canada or USA would like to play with such light groin injury. He disappointed me."

    Yes, there are some very, very bad things in our ice-hockey...
    That is too bad, if what Peter Stastny says is true. It seems the Slovak team has many political issues to resolve.

    I really do not like that coach who says lies about Peter Budaj. If he was able to play he would play. He is very disappointed not be able to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Pablo Ramirez View Post
    Peter Šťastný is the man, who fought on ice, when our national team was in second division or with brother Anton in Sheffield 1994 (olympic qualification). He played on WOG 1994 in Lillehammer and was third best scorer of tournament (5+4 in 9 games).
    yes, peter stastny was a great hockey player and i respect him for that. i’ve never had any doubt about this.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Pablo Ramirez View Post
    I wont write about Juraj Široký, because this is forum about ice-hockey and not about defrauders.
    ok, i just don’t understand – if stastny was so priceless for our hockey why would siroky get rid off him? siroky is obviously a man who knows how to make money (whether the ways to it are in line with laws or morale is a different isssue and i don’t want to argue about it – so if you want to call him a defrauder, whatever, i don’t care) and as i see it - priceless stastny -> more nhl players comming to support the team -> better results -> easier to sell the team to sponsors -> more money for siroky to silently put aside for his own purposes. that’s how i see it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Pablo Ramirez View Post
    Peter Štastný for Sport-express: "My son Paul could play for Slovakia. If people from SZĽH (Slovak ice-hockey association) have really interest, they could try to take the initiative of change the rules. But our association has no interest about our national team. President of SZĽH is uncompetent person, former communist. He has full control over slovak ice-hockey and I have fear, what he could to damage."
    i guess this is a quote from the sport-express interview (http://hokej.sme.sk/c/3256195/Peter-...irokeho.html)?

    i would like to quote the first part: “paul was born in canada raised in the usa. in order to be eligible for playing for slovakia, he would have to play 2 seasons in slovak leagues and 1 game. from the proffesional point of view, this is an inacceptable option.“

    forget about your own interests for a while. i’m asking, a guy born in canada, raised in the us, growing up in the north american system, not willing to play in country xy, wants (and does he really want it?) to play for country xy? why????

    i mean, how would our association reason the iniciative? and even if the iihf changed the rules, do you think he would fit in? i mean, wide ice, different style of play and all that kind of staff.

    and another question – has paul called the slovak association and said – „hey guys, i would really love to join the team and i was wondering whether there’s any chance you could do something about it“?

    also another qoute from the same iterview: “as long as there are incompetent executives (in the slovak ice hockey federation), no changes are to be expected.“ – i think the executives haven’t changed that much in last couple of years which makes one wonder how does it come that they became incompetent only after the co-operation with stastny was finished.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Pablo Ramirez View Post
    National team coach Július Šupler: "I phoned with Marián Hossa, he take two days to make final decision." About other player: "I am sad, that Peter Budaj isnt in the team. Many other players from Canada or USA would like to play with such light groin injury. He disappointed me."
    i wasn’t surprised by marian hossa, it’s a pretty normal thing but the budaj stuff caught me by surprise. that was really stupid.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Pablo Ramirez View Post
    Yes, there are some very, very bad things in our ice-hockey...
    couldn’t agree more (although probably we wouldn’t be able to agree on some of the bad things :) }

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    Quote Originally Posted by indulgeo View Post

    forget about your own interests for a while. i’m asking, a guy born in canada, raised in the us, growing up in the north american system, not willing to play in country xy, wants (and does he really want it?) to play for country xy? why????
    Paul Šťastný played for Slovakia U18 national team (together with Brian Ihnačák, son of former NHL player Peter Ihnačák) on Vladimir Dzurilla memorial few years ago (I think, it was 2003). Paul Šťastný was one of the best players in the team. He had interest to play on World Championship U18 for Slovakia, but because of IIHF rules, he didnt play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Pablo Ramirez View Post
    Paul Šťastný played for Slovakia U18 national team (together with Brian Ihnačák, son of former NHL player Peter Ihnačák) on Vladimir Dzurilla memorial few years ago (I think, it was 2003). Paul Šťastný was one of the best players in the team. He had interest to play on World Championship U18 for Slovakia, but because of IIHF rules, he didnt play.
    didn't he play for the usa at the viking cup 2004 as well?

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    These are friendly tournaments.
    IIHF won't change the rules only because Paul is called Stastny. He never played any ice hockey in Slovakia in his life, and don't want too. These rules are made for a purpose, preventing non-ice-hockey countries of playing with Canadians only because their father came from there.

    I did read the Sport-Express interview and I was a little surprised by the way Peter Stastny was talking on Siroky in a foreign newspaper, including accusing him of collaborating with secret services. Does he publicly say the same things in Slovakia ? Has he right to do so if he doesn't prove it ? Does he do it because Siroky would never sue it cos' he can't prove the contrary ?
    That's the way it crumbles, cookie-wise

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc View Post
    I did read the Sport-Express interview and I was a little surprised by the way Peter Stastny was talking on Siroky in a foreign newspaper, including accusing him of collaborating with secret services. Does he publicly say the same things in Slovakia ? Has he right to do so if he doesn't prove it ? Does he do it because Siroky would never sue it cos' he can't prove the contrary ?
    Juraj Široký collaborated with secret service ŠTB. His file had number 196592, his cover name was "Belan" and he worked as agent in Washington.
    Peter Šťastný told everything during last SZĽH president elections. This and many other things about Široký. Široký defrauded more than hundred milions crowns, which people deposited into "Harvard fonds". He promised people rich returns. But next, he converted money into many others companies based in Cyprus or other countries and people are without money. Harvard fonds were main sponsor of Slovan Harvard Bratislava in the end of 90-ties (when president Dušan Pašek (world champion from 1985, big friend of Juraj Široký) was self (?)-murdered) and also sponsor of HC Vsetín in the same time.
    His ŠTB file was long time archived in Prague. After it was finally removed to Bratislava last year, it was "surprisly" lost, when former director of Nation's Memory Institute Ján Langoš died during car accident. There is a copy of this file, but it is no argument for eventually lawsuit.
    So, this is true about Juraj Široký. He is very rich man and people around him has fear. Now, he is main sponsor of party SMER and friend with populist and former comunist Robert Fico, now prime minister and "big socialist".

    Sorry, I dont want to write about this things, it is not about ice-hockey. But this things have big effect on the atmosphere in our ice-hockey national team.

    In the past, players like Pálffy, Šatan, Bondra, Stumpel, Lašák and many others played for SVK and won medails. Before last elections Široký appropriated this successes to himself. But reality is, that our national teams without NHL players is average. Our youth national teams are very poor. Reality is that only one ice-hockey stadium (Košice) was built during last ten years (except Marián Gáborík "MG rink" in Trenčín).

    Positive end: Another two players are free to play in Moscow - Miroslav Šatan and Richard Zedník. Together with Demitra, Hossa, Gáborík, Radivojevič and Petrovický, Šupler has a lot of players to make two top lines.

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    Pablo Ramirez is right about the detrimental effect on hockey of people like Siroky who in most true democracies would be behind bars.

    On the other hand other totalitarian regimes as in Belarus have been very positive for hockey.

    Coming back to hockey I read Tanmans comments about Ukranian hockey how you would be happy to see them relegated. They deserve all the help they can get not scorn & derision.

    Whilst I understand Tretiaks desire to return Russia to being the dominant power in world hockey there are ways & means of doing so without causing detriment to nations such as Ukraine ,Belarus & Kazakhstan & which go against IIHF aims & rules.

    Whilst I'm looking forward to the IWHC at the same time isn't it becoming a bit of a tin pot tournament ? The US NT squad is virtually a third team. With so many withdrawals(agree with Drax),absences it devalues the claim of being the premier tournament in world hockey which surely is the Olympics now.

    The further down the pyramid you go the more meritorious the tournament becomes as most NTs field their best available squad.

    To the best of my knowledge ice hockey is the only team sport in the world where the ruling body is in effect not the ruling body & where the World title is not contested by the best players available.The NHL is the tail that wags the IIHFs dog.

    A bit off topic .Can this ever be resolved by delaying the IHWC or altering it to a two year schedule for all groups ?

    Personally I hope Russia do reclaim the title though Bykovs man management skills are somewhat lacking & that Denmark,Switzerland & Belarus make a very strong showing.

    Sad to say but Ukraine to go down along with Italy.

    Does the Belarus squad inc.the Kastitsyn brothers & Kolasau ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Pablo Ramirez View Post
    Juraj Široký collaborated with secret service ŠTB. His file had number 196592, his cover name was "Belan" and he worked as agent in Washington...
    Thanks for the insight.

    When I read "secret service", I think he was accused of working for Stasi-like or Securitate-like organisations, where he could have spied his neighbours or acted against his own citizens.

    As he worked in counter-intelligence in a foreign country, I don't see the problem. Why is this file so important ? What can (could, as the file is lost) he be legally accused of ?
    Actually, I find Stastny words in Sport-Express quite funny now. Despising a man because of a secret service past in Russian press !
    That's the way it crumbles, cookie-wise

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    Slovakia SVK roster

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Pablo Ramirez View Post
    According to some media:

    IN:
    Pavol Demitra (Minnesota Wild)
    Marián Gáborík (Minnesota Wild)
    Miroslav Šatan (NY Islanders)

    But it is still unofficial, coach Šupler will inform about players from NHL this evening.
    Šupler confirmed:
    IN:
    Pavol Demitra (Minnesota Wild) will join team during tournament
    Marián Gáborík (Minnesota Wild) from begin
    Branko Radivojevič (Minnesota Wild) from begin
    Miroslav Šatan (NY Islanders) from begin
    Marián Hossa (Atlanta Trashers) probably will join team during tournament together with Demitra, before the match against Canada

    maybe:
    Richard Zedník (NY Islanders) - definitive decision on Monday

    It can be very strong first line Hossa - Demitra - Gáborík with duo Chára - Jurčina in defence.

    Quote Originally Posted by Marc View Post
    When I read "secret service", I think he was accused of working for Stasi-like or Securitate-like organisations, where he could have spied his neighbours or acted against his own citizens.

    As he worked in counter-intelligence in a foreign country, I don't see the problem. Why is this file so important ? What can (could, as the file is lost) he be legally accused of ?
    Actually, I find Stastny words in Sport-Express quite funny now. Despising a man because of a secret service past in Russian press !
    OK, in my opinion, it does not matter, if he worked home or abroad. Important is, that he collaborate with ŠTB, organisation, which terrorised own population. Yes, you are right, ŠTB was organisation like Stasi or Securitate.

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    Slovakia More turmoil in Slovak Hockey?

    Here in an article in French

    http://www.cyberpresse.ca/article/20...0/CPACTUALITES

    and a google translation in English:

    http://www.google.com/translate?u=ht...&hl=en&ie=UTF8

    If someone with a better knowledge of French can check the translation and let us know, thanks.

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    Peter Stastny had press conference. He wrote letters to Rene Fasel (IIHF), Jaques Rogge (IOC), Garry Bettman (NHL), Bill Hay (Hockey Hall of Fame) and Hans-Gert Pottering (EP). He inform, that president of SZLH (Slovak ice hockey association) Juraj Siroky is danger for democracy and integrity of sport in Slovakia. Juraj Siroky is former agent of communist organisation STB (extension of KGB in former Czechoslovakia). If Juraj Siroky dont abdicate in next three months, Peter Stastny will get out from Slovak Hall of Fame. Juraj Siroky is also main sponsor of Slovan Bratislava, so Peter Stastny want to hang down his shirt from roof of ice rink.
    There was also question about our players in NHL. Peter Stastny answer, he will respect individual decisions of every player, if they will play for Slovakia in Canada this year. Stastny has no more position in SZLH, but he has very good connections with players. Stastny declined, that he want to be new president of hockey association.

    Discussion about Stastny and Siroky is in this thread: http://forums.internationalhockey.ne...?t=4756&page=4

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    Quote Originally Posted by indulgeo View Post
    this was a favourite topic for the media a year ago. not interesting anymore.






    with all respect for stastny as a hockey player, i can't stand him as a person. this whole siroky-stastny issue is beyond my comprehension. stastny seems to me like a small child when other kids don't want to play with him. i'd rather see him do his work at the european parliament.

    as for siroky, i thought his stb file was lost - has it been found yet? and does it matter? he is a rich guy (how he got rich is a different issue - although you should consider that it is so in every country in transition that there are people who earn a lot of money very easily) with a lot of contacts. to me, it sounds like a great candidate for the position he holds. i'm not saying he's perfect and does only good things - i don't know him. but we are living in a country of five million, where everybody knows everybody - we'll never get rid of nepotism. you'll always have people doing favours to their friends, family, whoever. i don't know, but has he been sentenced for something? or is it just the "slovak logic" - big house abroad + expensive car + much money = criminal - responsible for your "hatred" towards this man?

    and now back to tpoic :) - which player is tired this year? why is halak back in europe if according to your theory he should be playing in hamilton because only stastny can talk to people over there?




    i think this was rather a misunderstanding between the two of them. but the fact is that lasak is not 100% ok and probably supler didn't know about stana and krizan by that time. however, even if supler decided he didn't want lasak on the team, it's supler who's responsible for the performance at the wc so let him make his own decissions. (not that i wouldn't be wtf-cking if he just kicked him out of the squad without a reason)



    try to see the cup half-full and not half-empty, man

    I know very little about Slovakia's political history, but if what Peter Stastny claims is true, I would think that he would have full support of the Slovak people.
    There is a possibility, though, that there are self-serving reasons for him to have exposed this information?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jasny View Post
    I know very little about Slovakia's political history, but if what Peter Stastny claims is true, I would think that he would have full support of the Slovak people.
    There is a possibility, though, that there are self-serving reasons for him to have exposed this information?
    Peter Stastny have almost no support from slovak people. He joined unpopular political party SDKU of former slovak prime minister Mikulas Dzurinda. On the other side, Juraj Siroky is main sponsor of nowadays prime minister Robert Fico and his party SMER with more than 40% support.
    There is nothing personal between Stastny and Siroky. They cooperate in the past, Siroky as president, Stastny as general manager. When STB files about Siroky were published in newspapers (for example Siroky denounce his own mother), Stastny appeal Siroky first time (it was in 2006 before ellection of president of SZLH).
    Here are some documents from file, second from bottom called " SLUZOBNY ZAZNAM" is about Siroky and his mother: http://www.sme.sk/c/3367346/dokument...-sirokeho.html
    Peter Stastny has no chance to change something in our ice hockey.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Pablo Ramirez View Post
    Peter Stastny has no chance to change something in our ice hockey.
    Thanks goodness for that. Would hate to see someone mess with such a well oiled machine.

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    Fans petition against president Siroky

    Petition for a resignation of the committee from the Slovak Ice Hockey Association

    On the 11th May 2008 Slovak Ice Hockey Fans started a petition in which they demand a resignation of the committee from the Slovak Ice Hockey Association. Cause for this initiative has been the performance from the Slovak national team during this year Ice Hockey World Cup in Canada, yet the ultimate reasons existed already quite some time before that.

    This petition, which you can find online under http://spojmesaprehokej.tym.sk/peticia , is a campaign from private individuals. The present author of this project, Marek Dula gave this statement to the Slovak Press Agency about the reasoning: “During the past weeks the Slovak ice hockey Fans made on several online discussions clear, they are extremely unsatisfied with the current situation; there has been a lot of criticism, observations and opinions about the state in the Slovak ice hockey. I thought it might be a good idea to unite these opinions under one website, where fans can express their feelings about this situation.”

    Ice hockey is locked in one's heart for the most people in Slovakia and so this petition has become very popular from its very start. During the first week this initiative is already signed by more than 20 000 people, and the story has also been covered by several media in Slovakia. The main charges towards the committee are poor concepts in junior hockey, non-transparent financing, corruption and backstairs influence within the team nominations, ignored public opinion and very little space for a public discussion, controversy in the president’s person of the Slovak Hockey Association, poor communication between the coaching staff and the players (this year the most Slovak players from the NHL denied for different reasons to represent the team at the world cup) and not at last the threatened organization of the Ice Hockey World Cup 2011 in Slovakia (heavy difficulties with the ice hockey arena development in Bratislava).

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