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    Austria Erste Bank Liga 2007/08 teams, transfers and other stuff

    At the moment the league's exact set up for next season is not clear, the EU player issue is running hot, there are rumours about Ljubljana joining in and on the other hand there are also some that Jesenice might quit. Despite all these uncertainties the clubs (or some of them) are already busy signing players so I thought I start a thread to cover and discuss all this.

    Graz99ers are extremely active right now, it seems they want to get rid of their underdog role seriously. Crucial in this endeavour will be their signings of Austrian players (given that the clubs stick to the voluntary import self restriction).
    One more prominent player they are rumoured to have signed is Heimo Lindner (HC Innsbruck). Graz have already hired current Innsbruck coach Larry Sacharuck and furthermore HCI mastermind Todd Elik is also said to join Graz. Already confirmed today was the transfer of the Slovenian DEL export Ivo Jan. Jan has played in Graz before and was very popular among the fans.
    Linz will not be a big player in the silly season, the club has more or less signedall it's players for next season.

    Short transfer news:

    Andreas Judex (Graz) -> Vienna Capitals
    Alexander Höller (Innsbruck) -> Vienna Capitals
    Claus Dalpiaz (Innsbruck) -> ??
    Seamus Kotyk (ex Jesenice) -> Innsbruck (rumour)
    Jeff Tory, Andrew Schneider, Kirk Furey (DEL) -> KAC (rumours)
    Pierre Pagé (coach, Eisbären Berlin) -> Salzburg (rumoured)
    Oliver Setzinger (Capitals) -> Hannover Scorpions

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    There are a lot of attempts during recent weeks to demolish high team spirit in Acroni Jesenice wardobe. Slovenian Hockey Federation among with all other slovenian teams (including Olimpija and Slavija) refused to reschedule some national championship games, that are played on the same day as EBEL league games. On the other hand, a lot of reports can be read, that all top Jesenice players are leaving, which are either untrue, or unconfirmed. Especially the one, that Jesenice might quit, because of players leaving.

    In response to all the news Jesenice arranged a press conference, which will take place tomorow at 17:00, before the game against Innsbruck.

    In my opinion, austrians and also Olimpija is trying to undermine Jesenice's chances to win both in EBEL and in national championships. I believe noone in Austria (among team officials and that) likes to see Jesenice in playoff battle, so they are trying to unrest the team through media. At least I hope so. Hopefully, tomorows press conference will show that players such as Razingar (linked with Innsbruck), Rodman brothers and Fox (all linked with Vienna Capitals) stay.
    Seamus Kotyk indeed left the team, probably joining Innsbruck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kozorog View Post
    In my opinion, austrians and also Olimpija is trying to undermine Jesenice's chances to win both in EBEL and in national championships. I believe noone in Austria (among team officials and that) likes to see Jesenice in playoff battle, so they are trying to unrest the team through media. At least I hope so. Hopefully, tomorows press conference will show that players such as Razingar (linked with Innsbruck), Rodman brothers and Fox (all linked with Vienna Capitals) stay.
    Seamus Kotyk indeed left the team, probably joining Innsbruck.
    That may be true but I think it is not a special anti Jesenice notion. Austrian club officials will "fight" every other team that might take away their play-off spot regardless where it comes from. And they will use whatever tactics they deem appropriate. KAC for example started negotiating with other teams players despite there is an (uncodified) agreement not to do so during the season. Vienna Capitals went to a regular court last year to object against the refs handling of the shoot out scandal in the game against VSV...
    And surely the Austrian clubs do not care about whether or not Jesenice has troubles with the Slovenian championship.
    I hope that HKJ stays competitive in EBEL but I do think that Austrian clubs' money is a serious threat, top players like Razingar and Kranjc or the Rodmans would fit any roster in EBEL and they have the nice feature that they are taken away from a direct opponent. Maybe Jesenice will have to relayon more imports also next season.

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    Transfers and transfer rumours update

    Andreas Judex (Graz) -> Vienna Capitals
    Alexander Höller (Innsbruck) -> Vienna Capitals
    Claus Dalpiaz (Innsbruck) -> Graz (rumour)
    Seamus Kotyk (ex Jesenice) -> Innsbruck (rumour)
    Jeff Tory, Andrew Schneider, Kirk Furey (DEL) -> KAC (rumours)
    Pierre Pagé (coach, Eisbären Berlin) -> Salzburg (rumour)
    Oliver Setzinger (Capitals) -> Hannover Scorpions
    Harald Ofner (KAC) -> Innsbruck
    Patrick Mössmer (Innsbruck) -> Graz
    Tomas Razingar (Jesenice) -> Innsbruck
    Aaron Fox (Jesenice) -> Capitals (rumour)
    David Rodman -> Capitals (rumour)
    Marcel Rodman -> Capitals (rumour)
    David Schuller (Capitals) -> KAC
    Matthias Trattnig (Salzburg) -> possibly DEL (Hannover), Sweden (or stays with Red Bulls)

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    Quote Originally Posted by RexKramer View Post
    Tomas Razingar (Jesenice) -> Innsbruck

    It is not going to happen as Innsbruck is too far from his home in Bled :003:
    Seriously... Razingar is best suited for Jesenice where he is an absolute fan favorite and where he feels the best. He is a fantastic player, but he is not the best player to play abroad (look at his history).
    Also Vienna has a playing style that is not suited for him or any Slovenian player.

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    A lot of Euros are normally an argument professional athletes are likely to be convinced by...
    Let's wait and see. With or without Razingar, I hope that HKJ will have a strong EBEL team next season and that we will be able to get good hockey and a competitive league.

    @Slovenian players and Vienna: Ivo Jan had just a very short appearance with the Captials in 2005 but that one was very successful (and people here were crazy about his performance)...

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    Transfers and transfer rumours update

    Andreas Judex (Graz) -> Vienna Capitals
    Alexander Höller (Innsbruck) -> Vienna Capitals
    Seamus Kotyk (ex Jesenice) -> Innsbruck (rumour)
    Jeff Tory, Andrew Schneider, Kirk Furey (DEL) -> KAC (rumours)
    Pierre Pagé (coach, Eisbären Berlin) -> Salzburg (rumour)
    Oliver Setzinger (Capitals) -> Hannover Scorpions
    Harald Ofner (KAC) -> Innsbruck
    Patrick Mössmer (Innsbruck) -> Graz
    Tomas Razingar (Jesenice) -> Innsbruck
    Aaron Fox (Jesenice) -> Capitals (rumour)
    David Rodman -> Capitals (rumour)
    Marcel Rodman -> Capitals (rumour)
    David Schuller (Capitals) -> KAC
    Matthias Trattnig (Salzburg) -> possibly DEL (Hannover), Sweden (or stays with Red Bulls)
    Bernhard Bock (G, Salzburg) -> Graz
    Claus Dalpiaz (G, Innsbruck) -> Graz
    Stefan Pittl (D, Salzburg) -> Graz

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    http://www.mininova.org/tor/604422

    Tonights game Acroni Jesenice : Innsbruck (4:3) is avaiable for download. If you doubted, how much refferees can affect the game, take a look at some offside decisions and two disallowed goals from Acroni Jesenice :) Gladly, Jesenice still managed to win important game and regain playoff spot.

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    Transfers and transfer rumours update

    Andreas Judex (Graz) -> Vienna Capitals
    Alexander Höller (Innsbruck) -> Vienna Capitals
    Seamus Kotyk (ex Jesenice) -> Innsbruck (rumour)
    Jeff Tory, Andrew Schneider, Kirk Furey (DEL) -> KAC (rumours)
    Pierre Pagé (coach, Eisbären Berlin) -> Salzburg (rumour)
    Oliver Setzinger (Capitals) -> Hannover Scorpions
    Harald Ofner (KAC) -> Innsbruck
    Patrick Mössmer (Innsbruck) -> Graz
    Tomas Razingar (Jesenice) -> Innsbruck
    Aaron Fox (Jesenice) -> Capitals (rumour)
    David Rodman -> Capitals (rumour)
    Marcel Rodman -> Capitals (rumour)
    David Schuller (Capitals) -> KAC
    Matthias Trattnig (Salzburg) -> possibly DEL (Hannover), Sweden (or stays with Red Bulls)
    Bernhard Bock (G, Salzburg) -> Graz
    Claus Dalpiaz (G, Innsbruck) -> Graz
    Stefan Pittl (D, Salzburg) -> Graz
    Daniel Welser(Skelleftea, SWE) -> Salzburg
    Todd Elik (Innsbruck) -> ? (rumour)
    Darby Craig (Augsburg) -> Innsbruck (rumour)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toni View Post
    Tomas Razingar (Jesenice) -> Innsbruck

    Wow, is this really confirmed ?

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    No, it isn't. I included this rumoured transfer into the list when it was reported last week. Since then there wasn't anything to be heard of it at all. So we just do't know...

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    Pierre Dagenais has extended his contract in Innsbruck. The forward is ranked fourth of all EBEL goal scorers despite having played only 24 games (32 goals). Dagenais was to a big part responsible of getting HCI back into playoff contention after their formidable start into the season which was followed by a miserably phase in November and December. Daganais is truly a remarkable player: his skating is everything else than spectacular, also his stickhandling is not stellar either but the man has a shot like a cannon, no matter if its a wrister a snap or a slap shot. The only thing he needs is to get the puck in the opponents zone and few seconds time....a true marksman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RexKramer View Post
    The only thing he needs is to get the puck in the opponents zone and few seconds time....a true marksman.
    It will be interesting to see how he will perform without Todd Elik who leads the league with 70 assists in 50 games. I doubt he will score 1+ goal per game over a full season without a play maker like Elik.

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    An article in hungarian Nemzeti Sport: Ocskay-ligából osztrák liga? (From Ocskay-Liga to the Austrian League?).

    A little explanation for the title of the article: our domestic league, the hungarian Borsodi Liga is always called as Ocskay-liga by hockeyfans. The nickname for the league comes from the name of the General Manager of the team, Gábor Ocskay.

    The above article is about the future plans of team Alba Volan FeVita. There is no real opponent in the hungarian league (they won the Borsodi Liga semis 3:0 and they won the finals with a 4:0 sweep) and Interliga is about to stop, and the team would like to make the next step in order to become a better team: they plan to join EBEL. The management of the team already got in contact with EBEL teams and would like to start negotiations with them.

    The article mentioned that if Olimpija joins EBEL next season, EBEL would need one more team to have even number of teams in the league, and Alba Volan is really working hard to be the 10th team there.

    We will know more in a couple of days...

    Ocskay had a big role in bringing the Continental Cup finals to Székesfehérvár (home city of Alba Volan FeVita) three times in a row.
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    @ Krisz

    Interesting to hear! In AUT up to now nothing was reported about AVF's intentions. Personally I wouldn't mind if they (together with OL) joined in given the team is competitive (and that should be possible as the club is something like the Hungarian Jesenice - get the best Hungarians plus 4-6 good imports...). But I severely doubt that the hockey community would be in favour of AVF joining in.

    Compared to Jesenice there's almost no common history of games (only Interliga 99/00 which is remebered in AUT just as the season before the big crash) which makes identification with the club as a rival hard/impossible. A second big disadvantage for AVF is the distance for traveling. Jesenice and Ljubljana is negligibly further away than Klagenfurt or Villach, and thats trips all teams are used to. And of course, coming back to the first point hockey in Hungary is completely unknown to a vast majority of hockeyfans in AUT, nobody knows about the progress of the last years. It wouæd take a "shock" event to make them aware of Hungarian hockey. Qualification to IHWC or hosting IHWC could serve as such events...or AVF playing preseason games against EBEL teams and winning all of them.

    Let's wait and see. For AVF and Hungary it would surely be a good thing. We saw how EBEL was accepted in Jesenice, a unambiguous success I'd say.

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    Andreas Judex (Graz) -> Vienna Capitals
    Alexander Höller (Innsbruck) -> Vienna Capitals
    Seamus Kotyk (ex Jesenice) -> Innsbruck
    Jeff Tory, Andrew Schneider, Kirk Furey (DEL) -> KAC (rumours)
    Pierre Pagé (coach, Eisbären Berlin) -> Salzburg (rumour)
    Oliver Setzinger (Capitals) -> Hannover Scorpions
    Harald Ofner (KAC) -> Innsbruck
    Patrick Mössmer (Innsbruck) -> Graz
    Tomas Razingar (Jesenice) -> Innsbruck
    Aaron Fox (Jesenice) -> Capitals (rumour)
    David Rodman -> Capitals (rumour)
    Marcel Rodman -> Capitals (rumour)
    David Schuller (Capitals) -> KAC
    Matthias Trattnig (Salzburg) -> possibly DEL (Hannover), Sweden (or stays with Red Bulls)
    Bernhard Bock (G, Salzburg) -> Graz
    Claus Dalpiaz (G, Innsbruck) -> Graz
    Stefan Pittl (D, Salzburg) -> Graz
    Daniel Welser(Skelleftea, SWE) -> Salzburg
    Todd Elik (Innsbruck) -> ? (roumored Graz)
    Darby Craig (Augsburg) -> Innsbruck
    Tomas Razingar (Jesenice) -> Innsbruck
    Marco Charpentier (LNAH) -> Linz
    Tony Iob (KAC) -> Graz

    Bold transfers apparently confirmed today.

    A LNAH forward for Linz? Charpentier is a top scorer in this league with similar stats as Desmarais or Sbrocca. The first was outstanding, the latter was ok, but not special (and was replaced). I'm in doubt...

    @ Tony Iob: that Iob signed for Graz aome time ago after he was fired in Klagenfurt is not new. But what is new (at least for me) is, as was reported tody, he will NOT count as an import player anymore, because he has been registered in Austria for 6 years in a row.
    That rule is new to me. Up to now I only thought that either you had to get/have an AUT passport or have played a certain time of junior hockey in AUT to be considered a "hockey-Austrian".
    Anyway, Iob would be quite a good signing as import but as Austrian that is a really big deal (he's one of the pillars of Italy's team...). Graz will be strong next year.
    Last edited by RexKramer; 22-03-2007 at 21:34.

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    Also Jean Phillipe Paré (Jesenice) signed an one year contract with Innsbruck...

    And Chad Hinz left KAC to join one of the CHL teams.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kozorog View Post
    Also Jean Phillipe Paré (Jesenice) signed an one year contract with Innsbruck...

    And Chad Hinz left KAC to join one of the CHL teams.
    Sure, forgot about Paré. Didn't hear Hinz moving to NA, but I suppose he'll come back, he was KAC's best import.

    Andreas Judex (Graz) -> Vienna Capitals
    Alexander Höller (Innsbruck) -> Vienna Capitals
    Seamus Kotyk (ex Jesenice) -> Innsbruck
    Jeff Tory, Andrew Schneider, Kirk Furey (DEL) -> KAC (rumours)
    Pierre Pagé (coach, Eisbären Berlin) -> Salzburg (rumour)
    Oliver Setzinger (Capitals) -> Hannover Scorpions
    Harald Ofner (KAC) -> Innsbruck
    Patrick Mössmer (Innsbruck) -> Graz
    Tomas Razingar (Jesenice) -> Innsbruck
    Aaron Fox (Jesenice) -> Capitals (rumour)
    David Rodman -> Capitals (rumour)
    Marcel Rodman -> Capitals (rumour)
    David Schuller (Capitals) -> KAC
    Matthias Trattnig (Salzburg) -> possibly DEL (Hannover), Sweden (or stays with Red Bulls)
    Bernhard Bock (G, Salzburg) -> Graz
    Claus Dalpiaz (G, Innsbruck) -> Graz
    Stefan Pittl (D, Salzburg) -> Graz
    Daniel Welser(Skelleftea, SWE) -> Salzburg
    Todd Elik (Innsbruck) -> ? (rumored Graz)
    Darby Craig (Augsburg) -> Innsbruck
    Tomas Razingar (Jesenice) -> Innsbruck
    Marco Charpentier (LNAH) -> Linz
    Tony Iob (KAC) -> Graz
    Jean Phillipe Paré (Jes) -> Innsbruck
    Jim Boni (Vienna) -> Linz (rumoured)

    Boni going to Linz was heard often the last days. Since they joined the first league Linz never had a really troubleless life with coaches (not even when they won the title under Stanislav Barda). It was a coming and going and always there's been some sort of unrest. Rumours have it that some of the long time pillars of the team act as a background emminence and that coaches have a hard time if these guys are not on their side. But Boni is surely respected and I think he's the kind of guy who doesn't let someone mess up his work. And he head success whith whatever he did (led Ingolstadt to DEL, champion with Vienna, brought AUT back to IHWC) up to now. So should it come true, I'd be very happy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krisz View Post
    An article in hungarian Nemzeti Sport: Ocskay-ligából osztrák liga? (From Ocskay-Liga to the Austrian League?).

    A little explanation for the title of the article: our domestic league, the hungarian Borsodi Liga is always called as Ocskay-liga by hockeyfans. The nickname for the league comes from the name of the General Manager of the team, Gábor Ocskay.

    The above article is about the future plans of team Alba Volan FeVita. There is no real opponent in the hungarian league (they won the Borsodi Liga semis 3:0 and they won the finals with a 4:0 sweep) and Interliga is about to stop, and the team would like to make the next step in order to become a better team: they plan to join EBEL. The management of the team already got in contact with EBEL teams and would like to start negotiations with them.

    The article mentioned that if Olimpija joins EBEL next season, EBEL would need one more team to have even number of teams in the league, and Alba Volan is really working hard to be the 10th team there.

    We will know more in a couple of days...

    Ocskay had a big role in bringing the Continental Cup finals to Székesfehérvár (home city of Alba Volan FeVita) three times in a row.
    After Krisz had posted this piece of news I did so in eishockeyforum.com (Austria's most frequented by far) in the thread about Ljubljana to EBEL together with some details about the current situation of Hungarian hocky. Today I realised that only an hour later hockeyfans.at, Austria's prime website on hockey (run by a fan), has made an article out of my posting (at least it seems so to me as the content and the stuctre is strikingly similar) which appeard on the front page of the site. However, this initiated a decent discussion about the issue in the forum and to my surprise people are much more positive about it than I thought. Overall there's three types of opinions:

    1 - EBEL should be purely Austrian
    2 - Jesenice ok, but no more
    3 - if there's a good team in reasonable distance, why not

    I'm inclined to say that type 3 was pretty much the strongest. So there seems to be acceptance among Austrian fans. If Alba Volan gets it's homework done and concentrates Hungary's best players plus some good foreigners there could be a chance for another successful integration.

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    Andreas Judex (Graz) -> Vienna Capitals
    Alexander Höller (Innsbruck) -> Vienna Capitals
    Seamus Kotyk (ex Jesenice) -> Innsbruck
    Jeff Tory, Andrew Schneider, Kirk Furey (DEL) -> KAC (rumours)
    Pierre Pagé (coach, Eisbären Berlin) -> Salzburg (rumour)
    Oliver Setzinger (Capitals) -> Hannover Scorpions
    Harald Ofner (KAC) -> Innsbruck
    Patrick Mössmer (Innsbruck) -> Graz
    Tomas Razingar (Jesenice) -> Innsbruck
    Aaron Fox (Jesenice) -> Capitals (rumour)
    David Rodman -> Capitals (rumour)
    Marcel Rodman -> Capitals (rumour)
    David Schuller (Capitals) -> KAC
    Matthias Trattnig (Salzburg) -> possibly DEL (Hannover), Sweden (or stays with Red Bulls)
    Bernhard Bock (G, Salzburg) -> Graz
    Claus Dalpiaz (G, Innsbruck) -> Graz
    Stefan Pittl (D, Salzburg) -> Graz
    Daniel Welser(Skelleftea, SWE) -> Salzburg
    Todd Elik (Innsbruck) -> ? (rumored Graz)
    Darby Craig (Augsburg) -> Innsbruck
    Tomas Razingar (Jesenice) -> Innsbruck
    Marco Charpentier (LNAH) -> Linz
    Tony Iob (KAC) -> Graz
    Jean Phillipe Paré (Jes) -> Innsbruck
    Jim Boni (Vienna) -> Linz (rumoured)
    Robert Kristan (Brynas) -> Jesenice (rumoured), actual SLO #1 netminder

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    Andreas Judex (Graz) -> Vienna Capitals
    Alexander Höller (Innsbruck) -> Vienna Capitals
    Seamus Kotyk (ex Jesenice) -> Innsbruck
    Jeff Tory, Andrew Schneider, Kirk Furey (DEL) -> KAC (rumours)
    Pierre Pagé (coach, Eisbären Berlin) -> Salzburg (rumour)
    Oliver Setzinger (Capitals) -> Hannover Scorpions
    Harald Ofner (KAC) -> Innsbruck
    Patrick Mössmer (Innsbruck) -> Graz
    Tomas Razingar (Jesenice) -> Innsbruck
    Aaron Fox (Jesenice) -> Capitals (rumour)
    David Rodman -> Capitals (rumour)
    Marcel Rodman -> Capitals (rumour)
    David Schuller (Capitals) -> KAC
    Matthias Trattnig (Salzburg) -> possibly DEL (Hannover), Sweden (or stays with Red Bulls)
    Bernhard Bock (G, Salzburg) -> Graz
    Claus Dalpiaz (G, Innsbruck) -> Graz
    Stefan Pittl (D, Salzburg) -> Graz
    Daniel Welser(Skelleftea, SWE) -> Salzburg
    Todd Elik (Innsbruck) -> ? (rumored Graz)
    Darby Craig (Augsburg) -> Innsbruck
    Tomas Razingar (Jesenice) -> Innsbruck
    Marco Charpentier (LNAH) -> Linz
    Tony Iob (KAC) -> Graz
    Jean Phillipe Paré (Jes) -> Innsbruck
    Jim Boni (Vienna) -> Linz
    Robert Kristan (Brynas) -> Jesenice (rumoured), actual SLO #1 netminder
    Herbert Hohenberger (VSV) -> Innsbruck (rumour)

    Big news on the transfer market: although not confirmend yet it is said to happen that VSV defender and long time national team and DEL (Cologne, Augsburg) player Herbert Hohenberger will sign for Innsbruck. Everyone thought that the38 year old native from Villach will not leave his home club anymore and finish his career in the VSV jersey. Hohenberger who in his best times probably was the strongest d-man ever from Austria still plays defensively solid (at times rough, often too rough), has a good shot and maybe the best long pass from out of the zone in the league. If this is true Innsbruck has three very good Austrian d-men on the roster who all come out of Villach's system (Unterluggauer and Klimbacher).
    In Linz the position of the coach is determined, Jim Boni has signed for a year.

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    Andreas Judex (Graz) -> Vienna Capitals
    Alexander Höller (Innsbruck) -> Vienna Capitals
    Seamus Kotyk (ex Jesenice) -> Innsbruck
    Jeff Tory, Andrew Schneider, Kirk Furey (DEL) -> KAC (rumours)
    Pierre Pagé (coach, Eisbären Berlin) -> Salzburg (rumour)
    Oliver Setzinger (Capitals) -> Hannover Scorpions
    Harald Ofner (KAC) -> Innsbruck
    Patrick Mössmer (Innsbruck) -> Graz
    Tomas Razingar (Jesenice) -> Innsbruck
    Aaron Fox (Jesenice) -> Capitals (rumour)
    David Rodman -> Capitals (rumour)
    Marcel Rodman -> Capitals (rumour)
    David Schuller (Capitals) -> KAC
    Matthias Trattnig (Salzburg) -> possibly DEL (Hannover), Sweden (or stays with Red Bulls)
    Bernhard Bock (G, Salzburg) -> Graz
    Claus Dalpiaz (G, Innsbruck) -> Graz
    Stefan Pittl (D, Salzburg) -> Graz
    Daniel Welser(Skelleftea, SWE) -> Salzburg
    Todd Elik (Innsbruck) -> ? (rumored Graz)
    Darby Craig (Augsburg) -> Innsbruck
    Tomas Razingar (Jesenice) -> Innsbruck
    Marco Charpentier (LNAH) -> Linz
    Tony Iob (KAC) -> Graz
    Jean Phillipe Paré (Jes) -> Innsbruck
    Jim Boni (Vienna) -> Linz
    Robert Kristan (Brynas) -> Jesenice (rumoured), actual SLO #1 netminder
    Herbert Hohenberger (VSV) -> Innsbruck (rumour)
    Lance Ward(HV71 Jonkoping, SWE) -> Graz
    Doug Nolan(Manchester Monarchs, AHL) -> Graz

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    I was just curious why did Elik leave Innsbruck early? Or did he finish the season with them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MSteudle View Post
    I was just curious why did Elik leave Innsbruck early? Or did he finish the season with them?
    Welcome MSteudle!

    Elik did finish the season with Innsbruck. Elik was "only" suspended for a couple of games during the season. The incident was discussed here: http://forums.internationalhockey.ne...?t=3677&page=4

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    One thing I forgot to mention with the rumoured transfer of Herbert Hohenberger from Villach to Innsbruck is of particular interest: the reason for the transfer is supposed to be that Pasut (a Vilach based consulting company) will not continue to sponsor VSV. Thus the club has to cut it's budget, Hohenberger is surely one of the big earners on the team and obviously they might not be able anymore to finance his services.

    Further news:

    In the ongoing dispute about the import regulation (Vienna Capitals have demanded to abolish the restricition on hiring EU citizens which is against EU law and only holds as voluntary agreement between clubs and the federation) and the overall question of league stability an idea brought up last year was discussed by a committe of club representatives:

    A point system based on the evaluation of all players by a expert jury and the subsequent imposing of a max. number of points for each team to guarantee comprtitive balance.

    Fortunately the talks did not yield any result as this is the most stupid and dangerous kind of regulation I have ever heard of. In the parallel issue of import rules no agreement could be reached as well. Due to the incapability of the league in setting up enforceable rules resp. getting to an unanimous consensus Vienna is now making its own rules and puts up accomplished facts. 5 imports have already been signed and 5 more shall follow so that ten imports will finally be on the roster (among them the Rodman brothers and Aaron Fox from Jesenice). The club announced that the team (which arguably will be very strong) will finally have a 15% lower payroll than this year's.
    It has to be seen how the other clubs and the federation react (I think they will swallow the pill).

    As fellow members here might know I'm not a adherent of the formula "less imports - good for domestic hockey" but this is going to far and puts up some risks.

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    What is the current situation regarding Olimpija's participation in EBEL?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drax View Post
    What is the current situation regarding Olimpija's participation in EBEL?
    No updates were made public. The status was that 5:3 clubs were pro OL and OL was given a list of conditions to fullfill by end of March. Next league meeting is scheduled for 14th of April.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RexKramer View Post
    As fellow members here might know I'm not a adherent of the formula "less imports - good for domestic hockey" but this is going to far and puts up some risks.
    My favored solution on this topic is to allow up to ten (or another reasonable number) imports but for every import you have to invest a certain sum into your or the federations youth program. On the short term this would lead to more imports and lower and thus more rational salaries for "home grown" players.

    On the long term more skilled players should come up out of the youth programs. The federation would have less problems to improve the national teams in the WCs or the Olympics. When there is a greater number of more or less equally skilled non import players available, then it would be easier to integrate more Nationalliga teams into EBEL (Zell and one or two clubs from Vorarlberg would be my first choice here).

    Needless to say that this model could imho only work, when you can assure that there won't be any cross financing from the youth sections to the pro sections.

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    That's exactly the "Reindl" model of the German federation. Seems smart to me but I think the sums this will generate are too small to really push good junior development programs. But it would help.
    Imho if Vienna gets serious with the EU imports every attempt of regulation in terms of maximum numbers is dead. Then the only thing that could be done is an incentive system. The one you proposed is a negative one (clubs have to pay if they hire foreigners which in the case of EU guys wouldn't stand a court ruling either). So I think only a positive incentive system woul legally be safe (clubs receive payment if they develop players). But if have no idea where the funds for this should come from...

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    Quote Originally Posted by RexKramer View Post
    But if have no idea where the funds for this should come from...
    I'm far from being a lawyer. How could such a model work? Every club has to pay some money to participate in the race for the "Austrian championship". This money will be dedicated for the development of hockey in Austria in general and the national teams in specific. Those teams who help to reach this goal (i.e. developing players for the national teams (junior levels) and allowing them to improve their skills in the national championship) will get this money back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toni View Post
    I'm far from being a lawyer. How could such a model work? Every club has to pay some money to participate in the race for the "Austrian championship". This money will be dedicated for the development of hockey in Austria in general and the national teams in specific. Those teams who help to reach this goal (i.e. developing players for the national teams (junior levels) and allowing them to improve their skills in the national championship) will get this money back.
    That could be a way but I think it's very optimistic to get the clubs to pay something. More effective could be if an external fund is raised (a sponsor, the public hand or so) that is then used to reward clubs who produce good players. Ideally not only EBEL clubs but all clubs with youth sections should be able to benefit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RexKramer View Post
    That could be a way but I think it's very optimistic to get the clubs to pay something. More effective could be if an external fund is raised (a sponsor, the public hand or so) that is then used to reward clubs who produce good players. Ideally not only EBEL clubs but all clubs with youth sections should be able to benefit.
    I think it's optimistic too that a external fund can be raised.

    Another thought:
    Every club will get most of the money back, the amount refunded would only be restricted to a variable degree for the youth program.

    ie. every club pays for example 100.000€ in a fund per year. Every team gets 90.000€ refunded (10.000€ for the national program). Teams with good results in their development program have to use only 20.000€ for the junior section, teams with bad results have to use 80.000€ for the junior section. The same model could be applied for the Nationalliga (with smaller amounts).

    Teams with a rather unsuccessful history in terms of development like Linz (unfortunately) would be forced to improve their efforts in this area, Villach, KAC or W-EV could use the money refunded as they wish.

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    Jussi Heikkinen left Innsbruck to join Nyköping in Sweden.

    Toni, do you know anything about other foreigners in Graz, etc.. At the moment they seem to have too much foreign players, don't they? Brulé, Crawford, Day, Iob, Jan, Mattie, Nolan, Ward, Washburn, Jakobsen? Or have I missed something?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kozorog View Post
    Toni, do you know anything about other foreigners in Graz, etc.. At the moment they seem to have too much foreign players, don't they? Brulé, Crawford, Day, Iob, Jan, Mattie, Nolan, Ward, Washburn, Jakobsen? Or have I missed something?
    - Mattie has Austrian citizenship
    - Iob might receive Austrian citizenship
    - As the weakest team this season they are allowed to have one extra import, ie. 8
    - I'm not 100% sure that every player on your list has a contract for next year, I'll try to check it.

    Edit:
    Jakobsen, Jan, Day, Guillet, Washburn, Caig, Nolan, Ward, Iob seem to be the import players for Graz next season. But as the rules for next season aren't established who knows how many import are allowed. :-(
    Last edited by Toni; 03-04-2007 at 12:24.

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    So, Guillet doesn't have an austrian citizenship, but Mattie has? Sorry to bother you :) I'm making an Eastside Hockey Manager update and encountered some problems :) About Iob, doesn't he have both canadian and italian passport, making him unable to get the third (austrian) one?

    Anyway, I think it wouldn't be so bad to 'compile' a list of foreigners team to team for season 2007/08.

    I don't have time to do it deeply now... but from top of my head..

    Graz
    Jakobsen, Jan, Day, Guillet, Washburn, Caig, Nolan, Ward, Iob

    Innsbruck
    Kotyk, Razingar, Paré, Craig

    Vienna
    ...
    ..
    .

    etc. etc.

    Meanwhile, Jesenice is still without any foreigners, except from Fox, who is still not officially left the team. Robert Kristan declared he would want to play at home, but didn't specifically said for Jesenice, so there is still chance he end up in Olimpija. That would be a big blow for Jesenice....

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    With Iob as I read it there seems to be the case that he will not be counted as an import anymore without receiving an Austrian passport due to the fact that he played in Austria for a sufficient number of years in a row. Somehow it's a little bit similar to the rule that players who have played a certain time of youth hockey in AUT are not considered imports irrespective of their citizenship.

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    Naturalized players

    As the issue was raised I put up a list of recently naturalized players resp. possibly to be naturalized players.

    Jamie Mattie (fall 2006)
    Andrew Verner (March 2007)

    There have been reports about that Vienna Capital's Darcy Werenka (D) is just about to receive an Austrian passport. I heard that the Capitals already plan with him as non-import. Maybe he will be able to play for AUT already in Moscow (which would be great). As dual nationals are on a decades low at the moment (I expect 2-4 to be on the team for Moscow) I have no problem with that.

    More distantly also VSV's Mickey Elick is rumoured to be naturalized (a superb defender as well).

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    Congratulation to Salzburg!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toni View Post
    Andreas Judex (Graz) -> Vienna Capitals
    Alexander Höller (Innsbruck) -> Vienna Capitals
    Seamus Kotyk (ex Jesenice) -> Innsbruck
    Jeff Tory, Andrew Schneider, Kirk Furey (DEL) -> KAC (rumours)
    Pierre Pagé (coach, Eisbären Berlin) -> Salzburg (rumour)
    Oliver Setzinger (Capitals) -> Hannover Scorpions
    Harald Ofner (KAC) -> Innsbruck
    Patrick Mössmer (Innsbruck) -> Graz
    Tomas Razingar (Jesenice) -> Innsbruck
    Aaron Fox (Jesenice) -> Capitals (rumour)
    David Rodman -> Capitals (rumour)
    Marcel Rodman -> Capitals (rumour)
    David Schuller (Capitals) -> KAC
    Matthias Trattnig (Salzburg) -> possibly DEL (Hannover), Sweden (or stays with Red Bulls)
    Bernhard Bock (G, Salzburg) -> Graz
    Claus Dalpiaz (G, Innsbruck) -> Graz
    Stefan Pittl (D, Salzburg) -> Graz
    Daniel Welser(Skelleftea, SWE) -> Salzburg
    Todd Elik (Innsbruck) -> ? (rumored Graz)
    Darby Craig (Augsburg) -> Innsbruck
    Tomas Razingar (Jesenice) -> Innsbruck
    Marco Charpentier (LNAH) -> Linz
    Tony Iob (KAC) -> Graz
    Jean Phillipe Paré (Jes) -> Innsbruck
    Jim Boni (Vienna) -> Linz
    Robert Kristan (Brynas) -> Jesenice (rumoured), actual SLO #1 netminder
    Herbert Hohenberger (VSV) -> Innsbruck
    Lance Ward(HV71 Jonkoping, SWE) -> Graz
    Doug Nolan(Manchester Monarchs, AHL) -> Graz
    Hohenberger to Innsbruck has been confirmed

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    apperantly, Gaucher left Linz, Pihl and Lind left Salzburg... and Intranuovo left Köln.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kozorog View Post
    apperantly, Gaucher left Linz, Pihl and Lind left Salzburg... and Intranuovo left Köln.
    Yes, and Hendrickson also left Salzburg.

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    Rumoured transfer - Bob Wren (Vienna Capitals) -> Acroni Jesenice.

    Meanwhile, ZM Olimpija was officially accepted to EBEL on todays league meeting in Bled. Alba Volans participation will be discussed next time, and since Olimpija was accepted, I don't see a reason why Alba wouldn't be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kozorog View Post
    Rumoured transfer - Bob Wren (Vienna Capitals) -> Acroni Jesenice.

    Meanwhile, ZM Olimpija was officially accepted to EBEL on todays league meeting in Bled. Alba Volans participation will be discussed next time, and since Olimpija was accepted, I don't see a reason why Alba wouldn't be.
    Acceptation is already for 2007-08 season (next one) ? And Alba Volan eventually too?

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    Yes, interesting news from EBEL. Actually after the interview with AUT hf president Dieter Kalt which I have summarized yesterday I have a strong feeling that Alba Volan will be included as well.

    Reasons:

    Last year EBEL wanted to get away from the odd number of teams (allthough I see no problem in an odd numbered league per se) which was one pro Jesenice argument
    With OL there's an odd number again (9). 9 teams is not good (not because it's odd and one team is idle every game day - that's no problem at all imho) because if they want to have a completely symmetric games' schedule (every team plays every opponent equally often home and away) only two variants come into consideration. 3 or 4 homey/away round robin. The first would be 48 games the latter 64. 48 is too few as the teams heavily depend on the revenue from the games and 64 is too much (this season there were 56 games in reg. season). With Alba Volan included one would get a neat 54 game regular season which will alow for a good schedule and good revenues.
    So there's good arguments pro AFV and Kalt's interview was so positive about them that it seems to me as he was already promoting their inclusion.

    So let's wait and see. Of course including two new teams at once is a gamble. It's not clear whether fans in Austria would accept two newcomers. Imho if the new teams are good curiosity would prevail and people would come to the games as ever.

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    Well I belive Alba will do everything to set up competitive team while Olimpija could be a dissapointment in the EBEL.Ofcourse Jesenice will need good replacement for Fox,Pare and Razingar,too.
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    EBEL meeting in Bled (SLO):

    Olimpija Ljubljana's participation decided, Alba Volan's application discussed (looks as it will happen imho), import player issue briefly discussed and then postponed (very much the Austrian way)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Acroni767 View Post
    Well I belive Alba will do everything to set up competitive team while Olimpija could be a dissapointment in the EBEL.Ofcourse Jesenice will need good replacement for Fox,Pare and Razingar,too.
    Hm, my sources are telling me that Olimpija currently has a MUCH stronger team than Jesenice does (now).
    Vnuk, Zupančič, Kontrec, 7 foreigners ( two from Cortina, possible Hill/McCarhy from this year) two dual nationals + possible a few others from Jesenice (Dervarič...).
    Also Brothers Rodman could leave Jesenice too ....
    What sources do you have about possible bad Olimpija team ?
    Also do not forget that Jesenice (again) have some problems in internal basis which is a really shame.
    The rumors about Kristan are now quiet. Surprisingly there are no news about ANY new players that Jesenice might sign. It has been one way traffic only till now. Lets hope that the "leaders" of this team don't go on the "summer" sleep once more....

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    Well, the rumours from Jesenice are positive, Rodman brothers will stay, Kristan signed and Wren is rumoured to sign. Of course that are all rumours, but (apart from Vnuk) all transfers to Olimpija are rumours too.

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    Andreas Judex (Graz) -> Vienna Capitals
    Alexander Höller (Innsbruck) -> Vienna Capitals
    Seamus Kotyk (ex Jesenice) -> Innsbruck
    Jeff Tory, Andrew Schneider, Kirk Furey (DEL) -> KAC (rumours)
    Pierre Pagé (coach, Eisbären Berlin) -> Salzburg (rumour)
    Oliver Setzinger (Capitals) -> Hannover Scorpions
    Harald Ofner (KAC) -> Innsbruck
    Patrick Mössmer (Innsbruck) -> Graz
    Tomas Razingar (Jesenice) -> Innsbruck
    Aaron Fox (Jesenice) -> Capitals (rumour)
    David Rodman -> Capitals (rumour)
    Marcel Rodman -> Capitals (rumour)
    David Schuller (Capitals) -> KAC
    Matthias Trattnig (Salzburg) -> possibly DEL (Hannover), Sweden (or stays with Red Bulls)
    Bernhard Bock (G, Salzburg) -> Graz
    Claus Dalpiaz (G, Innsbruck) -> Graz
    Stefan Pittl (D, Salzburg) -> Graz
    Daniel Welser(Skelleftea, SWE) -> Salzburg
    Todd Elik (Innsbruck) -> ? (rumored Graz)
    Darby Craig (Augsburg) -> Innsbruck
    Tomas Razingar (Jesenice) -> Innsbruck
    Marco Charpentier (LNAH) -> Linz
    Tony Iob (KAC) -> Graz
    Jean Phillipe Paré (Jes) -> Innsbruck
    Jim Boni (Vienna) -> Linz
    Robert Kristan (Brynas) -> Jesenice (rumoured), actual SLO #1 netminder
    Herbert Hohenberger (VSV) -> Innsbruck
    Lance Ward(HV71 Jonkoping, SWE) -> Graz
    Doug Nolan(Manchester Monarchs, AHL) -> Graz
    Tomaz Vnuk (Jesenice) -> Olimpija

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    Innsbruck signs forward Martin Pewal from champion Red Bulls and extend for one year defender Florian Schwitzer contract

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