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    IIHF IIHF Men's World Rankings 2002-2014

    Ranking 2002

    1. Czech Republic
    2. Finland
    3. Canada
    4. Sweden
    5. USA
    6. Russia
    7. Slovakia
    8. Switzerland
    9. Germany
    10. Latvia
    11. Belarus
    12. Ukraine
    13. Austria
    14. Italy
    15. Norway
    16. France
    17. Japan
    18. Poland
    19. Denmark
    20. Slovenia
    21. Kazakhstan
    22. Britain
    23. Hungary
    24. Netherlands
    25. Estonia
    26. Romania
    27. China
    28. Lithuania
    29. Bulgaria
    30. Serbia & Montenegro
    31. Croatia
    32. South Korea
    33. Spain
    34. Israel
    35. Belgium
    36. Australia
    37. South Africa
    38. Iceland
    39. New Zealand
    40. Mexico
    41. Turkey
    42. Luxembourg
    43. North Korea

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    Ranking 2003

    2003 Final World Rankings


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    1. (3) Canada 3,685
    2. (4) Sweden 3,610
    3. (1) Czech Republic 3,560
    4. (2) Finland 3,525
    5. (7) Slovakia 3,480
    6. (6) Russia 3,480
    7. (5) USA 3,330
    8. (9) Germany 3,240
    9. (8) Switzerland 3,135
    10 (10) Latvia 3,060
    11 (12) Ukraine 3,010
    12 (13) Austria 2,970
    13 (11) Belarus 2,955
    14 (19) Denmark 2,665
    15 (17) Japan 2,605
    16 (20) Slovenia 2,595
    17 (14) Italy 2,585
    18 (16) France 2,575
    19 (18) Poland 2,550
    20 (15) Norway 2,535[/html][html]
    21 (21) Kazakhstan 2,480
    22 (23) Hungary 2,255
    23 (22) Great Britain 2,230
    24 (25) Estonia 2,135
    25 (24) Netherlands 2,135
    26 (26) Romania 1,965
    27 (28) Lithuania 1,885
    28 (27) China 1,805
    29 (30) Serbia&Mont 1,685
    30 (29) Bulgaria 1,550
    31 (31) Croatia 1,545
    32 (32) South Korea 1,420
    33 (35) Belgium 1,240
    34 (33) Spain 1,230
    35 (34) Israel 1,110
    36 (36) Australia 1,080
    37 (37) South Africa 990
    38 (39) Iceland 930
    39 (40) Mexico 820
    40 (39) New Zealand 800
    41 (43) PR Korea 680
    42 (42) Luxembourg 635
    43 (41) Turkey 625[/html]

    Note: Number in brackets are the 2002 rankings

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    Ranking 2004

    2004 Final World Rankings

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    1. (1) Canada 3,485
    2. (2) Sweden 3,400
    3. (5) Slovakia 3,235
    4. (3) Czech Republic 3,225
    5. (4) Finland 3,195
    6. (7) USA 3,145
    7. (6) Russia 3,105
    8. (8) Germany 2,990
    9. (9) Switzerland 2,920
    10 (10) Latvia 2,900
    11 (12) Austria 2,755
    12 (11) Ukraine 2,720
    13 (13) Belarus 2,590
    14 (14) Denmark 2,575
    15 (15) Japan 2,440
    16 (16) Slovenia 2,420
    17 (21) Kazakhstan 2,410
    18 (18) France 2,400
    19 (17) Italy 2,315
    20 (19) Poland 2,295[/html][html]
    21 (20) Norway 2,265
    22 (22) Hungary 2,060
    23 (25) Netherlands 2,015
    24 (24) Estonia 1,995
    25 (23) Great Britain 1,990
    26 (26) Romania 1,845
    27 (27) Lithuania 1,720
    28 (28) China 1,630
    29 (29) Serbia&Mont 1,565
    30 (32) South Korea 1,455
    31 (31) Croatia 1,425
    32 (30) Bulgaria 1,375
    33 (33) Belgium 1,345
    34 (34) Spain 1,170
    35 (36) Australia 1,125
    36 (35) Israel 1,035
    37 (41) North Korea 950
    38 (37) South Africa 930
    39 (38) Iceland 875
    40 (40) New Zealand 870
    41 (39) Mexico 770
    42 (42) Luxembourg 755
    43 (43) Turkey 690
    44 (--) Ireland 260
    45 (--) Armenia 240[/html]

    Note: Number in brackets are the 2003 rankings

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    Ranking 2005

    2005 Rankings FINAL 2005 World Rankings

    2005 Rank (2004 Rank) Team Ranking points 01 (01) Canada 3220 02 (02) Sweden 3095 03 (04) Czech Repubic 3065 04 (03) Slovakia 2965 05 (07) Russia 2915 06 (06) USA 2865 07 (05) Finland 2865 08 (09) Switzerland 2715 09 (10) Latvia 2675 10 (08) Germany 2580 11 (12) Ukraine 2490 12 (13) Belarus 2430 13 (11) Austria 2430 14 (14) Denmark 240015 (17) Kazakhstan 2335 16 (15) Slovenia 2295 17 (18) France 2150 18 (21) Norway 2105 19 (19) Italy 2100 20 (16) Japan 2090 21 (20) Poland 2085 22 (22) Hungary 1920 23 (23) Netherlands 1885 24 (24) Estonia 1860 25 (25) Britain 1780 26 (26) Romania 168527 (27) Lithuania 1620 28 (28) China 1515 29 (29) Serbia & Mont 1420 30 (31) Croatia 1390 31 (30) South Korea 1360 32 (33) Belgium 1255 33 (32) Bulgaria 1235 34 (35) Australia 1195 35 (36) Israel 1140 36 (37) North Korea 1105 37 (34) Spain 1090 38 (40) New Zealand 910 39 (39) Iceland 875 40 (38) South Africa 845 41 (43) Turkey 795 42 (42) Luxembourg 785 43 (41) Mexico 775 44 (44) Ireland 450 45 (45) Armenia420
    Note: Number in brackets are the 2004 rankings
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    Olympics New World Rankings after Turin games

    Men:
    1 Sweden (1) -- 4,030
    2 Canada 3,940
    3 Czech Republic 3,930
    4 Slovakia 3,805
    5 Finland 3,765
    6 Russia 3,725
    7 USA 3,575
    8 Switzerland 3,525
    9 Latvia 3,335
    10 Germany 3,270


    For the first time since this system was introduced after the 2003 World Championship, the IIHF's World Rankings have a new name at the top of the standings. By advancing to the gold-medal game, Sweden has overtaken Canada as the number-one men's hockey nation. The World Rankings take into account countries' performance over a continuous four-year cycle. The current year (in this case, the Olympics) counts for 100% of total points available, the previous year 75%, two years ago 50%, and three years ago 25%. The maximum points available is 1,200 which is awarded to the champion.

    Women:

    1 Canada2,970
    2 USA 2,890
    3 Sweden 2,830
    4 Finland 2,760
    5 Germany 2,635
    6 Russia 2,585
    7 China 2,485
    8 Switzerland 2,480
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    Wow, IIHF hasn't updated their rankings yet!

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    And then it's going to get changed around again in May... how will this affect Italy and Kazakstan, who are lower in the ratings. Will this give them a boost over the teams ahead of them, and if so, is this really fair to do?

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    I can't imagine why it wouldn't be fair for Kazakhstan, they qualified for the tournament. Italy was the host, so that's debateable, but not such a big deal, I reckon.

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    Are teams that failed to reach the Olympic tournament but attempted to qualify ranked according to their qualification results and given points? Belarus 13th, Norway 14th, Austria 15th, etc..

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    Oh, I was mistaken. I thought points were awarded for every IIHF sanctioned match played (upto the ceiling) like in FIFA, but IIHF rankings give points only for the WCh and Olympics final standings. I wonder if the Olympic qualifying tournament results are included, indeed..

    http://www.iihf.com/hockey/worldrank...rldranking.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by fan75
    Are teams that failed to reach the Olympic tournament but attempted to qualify ranked according to their qualification results and given points? Belarus 13th, Norway 14th, Austria 15th, etc..
    Yes.

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    Olympics

    New 2006 World Rankings - after 2006 Winter Olympics

    For the first time since this system was introduced after the 2003 World Championship, the IIHF's World Rankings have a new name at the top of the standings. By winning the gold-medal game, Sweden has overtaken Canada as the number-one men's hockey nation. Canada finished 7th in the Olympic tournament. The World Rankings take into account countries' performance over a continuous four-year cycle. The current year (in this case, the Olympics) counts for 100% of total points available, the previous year 75%, two years ago 50%, and three years ago 25%. The maximum points available is 1,200 which is awarded to the champion. Here are the top ten nations on the men's side after the Olympics. The final 2006 ranking will be established following the 70th IIHF World Championship in Riga, Latvia (5 - 21 May).

    The number in brackets indicates the final position in the Olympic tournament (incl. the Olympic qualifications). DNP indicates that the country did not participate in neither the Olympic tournament, nor in the Olympic Qualifications which were held in 2 stages in Nov 2004 and Feb 2005.

    1. Sweden (1) -- 4,030
    2. Canada (7) --3,940
    3. Czech Republic (3) --3,930
    4. Slovakia (5) --3,805
    5. Finland (2) -- 3,765
    6. Russia (4) -- 3,725
    7. USA (8) -- 3,575
    8. Switzerland (6) -- 3,525
    9. Latvia (12) -- 3,335
    10. Germany (10) -- 3,270
    11. Kazakhstan (9) -- 3.100
    12. Austria (15) -- 3.045
    13. Belarus (13) -- 3.035
    14. Ukraine (19) -- 3.015
    15. Denmark (17) -- 2.990
    16. Slovenia (18) -- 2.900
    17. Italy (11) -- 2.820
    18. Norway (14) -- 2.760
    19. France (16) -- 2.755
    20. Poland (20) -- 2.635
    21. Japan (21) -- 2.625
    22. Hungary (22) -- 2.460
    23. Netherlands (23) -- 2.400
    24. Estonia (25) -- 2.320
    25. Romania (24) -- 2.195
    26. Lithuania (26) -- 2.085
    27. China (27) -- 1.980
    28. Croatia (28) -- 1.970
    29. Serbia & Montenegro (30) -- 1.815
    30. Bulgaria (29) -- 1.655
    31. Great Britain (DNP) -- 1.610
    32. Korea (DNP) -- 1.360
    33. Belgium (DNP) -- 1.255
    34. Australia (DNP) -- 1.195
    35. Israel (DNP) -- 1.140
    36. DPR Korea (DNP) -- 1.105
    37. Spain (DNP) -- 1.090
    38. New Zeeland (DNP) -- 910
    39. Iceland (DNP) -- 875
    40. South Africa (DNP) -- 845
    41. Turkey (DNP) -- 795
    42. Luxembourg (DNP) -- 785
    43. Mexico (DNP) -- 775
    44. Ireland (DNP) -- 455
    45. Armenia (DNP) -- 420

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    Right on!

    Oh yeah baby!!! :023:

    I've printed out the ranking list and nailed it to my wall, and it never comes down i tells ya! :claphands

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    Changes in world ranking

    With all the WC's finished for 2006, these are this years biggest climbers:

    1. Bulgaria, 30th, up 6 places :023:
    2. Norway, 15th, up 5
    3. Belarus, 10th, up 4
    3. Kazakhstan, 11th, up 4
    3. Mexico, 39th, up 4

    And the teams dropping most in the ranking:

    1. Great Britain, 31st, down 6 places :090:
    2. Austria, 16th, down 4
    3. Belgium, 35th, down 3
    3. Japan, 21st, down 3

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    Is there the full list available somewhere?
    Nothing to declare.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bennison
    With all the WC's finished for 2006, these are this years biggest climbers:

    1. Bulgaria, 30th, up 6 places :023:

    And the teams dropping most in the ranking:

    1. Great Britain, 31st, down 6 places :090:
    This is largely down to Bulgaria's decision to compete in the Olympic qualifiers and purely down to Britain's decision not to, respectively. GB only finished one place lower this year than they had done in the previous 3 years (we were the lower of the 2 5th placed teams rather than the higher of the two as we had been in those 3 years). Bulgaria only climbed 4 places in the 2006 Worlds over their 2005 performance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skratch
    Is there the full list available somewhere?
    http://live82.ihwc.net/english/prechampion/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skratch
    Is there the full list available somewhere?
    World Rankings after 2006:

    1. Sweden
    2. Czech Republic
    3. Canada
    4. Finland
    5. Slovakia
    6. Russia
    7. USA
    8. Switzerland
    9. Latvia
    10. Germany
    11. Kazakhstan
    12. Belarus
    13. Austria
    14. Denmark
    15. Ukraine
    16. Italy
    17. Slovenia
    18. Norway
    19. France
    20. Poland
    21. Japan
    22. Hungary
    23. Netherlands
    24. Estonia
    25. Romania
    26. Lithuania
    27. China
    28. Croatia
    29. Serbia & Montenegro
    30. Bulgaria
    31. Britain
    32. South Korea
    33. Belgium
    34. Australia
    35. Israel
    36. North Korea
    37. Spain
    38. New Zealand
    39. Iceland
    40. South Africa
    41. Turkey
    42. Luxembourg
    43. Mexico
    44. Ireland
    45. Armenia

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bennison
    With all the WC's finished for 2006, these are this years biggest climbers:

    1. Bulgaria, 30th, up 6 places :023:
    2. Norway, 15th, up 5
    3. Belarus, 10th, up 4
    3. Kazakhstan, 11th, up 4
    3. Mexico, 39th, up 4

    And the teams dropping most in the ranking:

    1. Great Britain, 31st, down 6 places :090:
    2. Austria, 16th, down 4
    3. Belgium, 35th, down 3
    3. Japan, 21st, down 3

    Interesting. But I believe you have made some mistakes:

    - Bulgaria. Rank 2005: 33, Rank 2006: 30 -- up 3
    - Norway. Rank 2005: 18, Rank 2006: 15 -- up 3
    - Belarus. Rank 2005: 12, Rank 2006: 10, -- up 2

    This makes Kazakhstan (up from 15 to 11) and Mexico (43 to 39) the biggest climbers. Kazakhstan is destined to drop next year.

    Austria dropped by 3 (13th to 16th) while Japan dropped by one (20 to 21th)

    Compare these rankings:

    2005 World Rankings

    2006 World Rankings

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jazz
    World Rankings after 2006:
    Sorry, but the list on www.ihwc.net is not sorted correctly:


    1. SWE
    2. CZE
    3. CAN
    4. FIN
    5. RUS
    6. SVK
    7. USA
    8. SUI
    9. LAT
    10. BLR
    11. KAZ
    12. GER
    13. UKR
    14. DEN
    15. NOR
    16. AUT
    17. ITA
    18. SLO
    19. FRA
    20. POL
    21. JPN
    22. HUN
    23. NED
    24. EST
    25. LTU
    26. ROM
    27. CRO
    28. CHN
    29. SCG
    30. BUL
    31. GBR
    32. KOR
    33. ISR
    34. AUS
    35. BEL
    36. PRK
    37. ESP
    38. NZL
    39. MEX
    40. ISL
    41. RSA
    42. TUR
    43. LUX
    44. IRL
    45. ARM

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    Exactly. Thanks Bennison.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dancan
    Interesting. But I believe you have made some mistakes:
    You are absolutely right... I don't know where I got the numbers from... :sleeping: Here is a revised list:

    This years climbers:

    1. Kazakhstan, 11th, up 4
    1. Mexico, 39th, up 4
    3. Finland, 4th, up 3
    3. Norway, 15th, up 3
    3. Croatia, 27th, up 3
    3. Bulgaria, 30th, up 3

    And the largest drops:

    1. Great Britain, 31st, down 6
    2. Belgium, 35th, down 3
    2. Austria, 16th, down 3

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    Something like this?? I hope I haven't made any more mistakes... :003:

    KAZ 15 --> 11 4
    MEX 43 --> 39 4
    FIN 7 --> 4 3
    NOR 18 --> 15 3
    CRO 30 --> 27 3
    BUL 33 --> 30 3
    BLR 12 --> 10 2
    ITA 19 --> 17 2
    LTU 27 --> 25 2
    ISR 35 --> 33 2
    SWE 2 --> 1 1
    CZE 3 --> 2 1
    POL 21 --> 20 1
    RUS 5 --> 5 0
    SUI 8 --> 8 0
    LAT 9 --> 9 0
    DEN 14 --> 14 0
    HUN 22 --> 22 0
    NED 23 --> 23 0
    EST 24 --> 24 0
    ROM 26 --> 26 0
    CHN 28 --> 28 0
    SCG 29 --> 29 0
    AUS 34 --> 34 0
    PRK 36 --> 36 0
    ESP 37 --> 37 0
    NZL 38 --> 38 0
    IRL 44 --> 44 0
    ARM 45 --> 45 0
    USA 6 --> 7 -1
    JPN 20 --> 21 -1
    KOR 31 --> 32 -1
    ISL 39 --> 40 -1
    RSA 40 --> 41 -1
    TUR 41 --> 42 -1
    LUX 42 --> 43 -1
    CAN 1 --> 3 -2
    SVK 4 --> 6 -2
    GER 10 --> 12 -2
    UKR 11 --> 13 -2
    SLO 16 --> 18 -2
    FRA 17 --> 19 -2
    AUT 13 --> 16 -3
    BEL 32 --> 35 -3
    GBR 25 --> 31 -6

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    Ranking 2006

    2006 Final World Rankings


    (after Olympics and WC)

    1. (2) Sweden 4,095
    2. (3) Czech Republic 3,985
    3. (1) Canada 3,890
    4. (7) Finland 3,830
    5. (5) Russia 3,725
    6. (4) Slovakia 3,685
    7. (6) USA 3,580
    8. (8) Switzerland 3,500
    9. (9) Latvia 3,310
    10. (12) Belarus 3,230
    11. (15) Kazakhstan 3,115
    12. (10) Germany 3,110
    13. (11) Ukraine 3,005
    14. (14) Denmark 3,005
    15. (18) Norway 2,935
    16. (13) Austria 2,930
    17. (19) Italy 2,915
    18. (16) Slovenia 2,870
    19. (17) France 2,720
    20. (21) Poland 2,580
    21. (20) Japan 2,540
    22. (22) Hungary 2,430
    23. (23) Netherlands 2,360
    24. (24) Estonia 2,325
    25. (27) Lithuania 2,270
    26. (26) Romania 2,135
    27. (30) Croatia 2,000
    28. (28) China 1,970
    29. (29) Serbia 1,745
    30. (33) Bulgaria 1,715
    31. (25) Great Britain 1,580
    32. (31) South Korea 1,320
    33. (35) Israel 1,275
    34. (34) Australia 1,215
    35. (32) Belgium 1,200
    36. (36) North Korea 1,105
    37. (37) Spain 1,040
    38. (38) New Zealand 925
    39. (43) Mexico 845
    40. (39) Iceland 840
    41. (40) South Africa 830
    42. (41) Turkey 775
    43. (42) Luxembourg 705
    44. (44) Ireland 585
    45. (45) Armenia 580

    Note: Number in brackets are the 2005 rankings


    Green - went up

    Red - went down
    Last edited by Aldair; 03-12-2006 at 22:52.

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    I predict that South Africa will move up 10 spots after this years tournament. They are a good team with excellent potential and will be a force in Div II before long

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devil10 View Post
    I predict that South Africa will move up 10 spots after this years tournament. They are a good team with excellent potential and will be a force in Div II before long
    I predict that.... they got relegated to DivIII this year, and considering how they only managed to beat Ireland by one goal last time the two met, RSA will be in tough to regain their promotion again this year.
    "A force in DivII", .... much as I'd love to see them rise up (and thus have more even matches in DivII), I don't see them becoming a force until long after Spain, New Zealand, DPRK, Iceland and, the way they've improved of late, Mexico.
    Besides, moving up 10 spots is mathematically impossible in their position. I don't even think it's mathematically possible for them to move up at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steigs View Post
    "A force in DivII", .... much as I'd love to see them rise up (and thus have more even matches in DivII), I don't see them becoming a force until long after Spain, New Zealand, DPRK, Iceland and, the way they've improved of late, Mexico.
    Besides, moving up 10 spots is mathematically impossible in their position. I don't even think it's mathematically possible for them to move up at all.
    The two nations above South Africa will get more points this year (Mexico and Iceland in Division II) and so will the team behind (Turkey also Div II). They did play well against the Spanish last time out in Bulgaria, only losing 5-3, however the Spanish do have a decent amount of young talent (Torres, Brabo, Munoz, Gavilanes, Pedraz) for the future. Riaan expects a strong outing from the SA U18's, so we'll see how they go, but as Steigs said, their work is going to be hard to become a consistant Div II team, let alone a force. I would absolutely love to see them make their way up though.

    New Zealand will promote back up for sure but depending on SA's final roster, I think they may have to do another year in Div III. The Irish home support will make a difference if South Africa cannot put their best team on the ice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Devil10 View Post
    I predict that South Africa will move up 10 spots after this years tournament. They are a good team with excellent potential and will be a force in Div II before long
    To put some numbers to Steigs and KazakhEagles comments...

    Not physically possible. The most points the South Africans can get this year is 320. Moving up 10 places would mean they would go above Great Britain, who can't score less than 580.

    Great Britain can't really make their points total any worse as they have been in the lower 4 places of Div 1 for several years now. The South Africans can only make their points total worse because they have been bouncing between Div 2 and Div 3 over the past 4 years. They are now in the phase of their cycle where the lower Division 3 points have more significance than their Division 2 points, as is the case with their current points total.

    Actually, Great Britain should increase in the rankings every year as the points poorer nations (e.g. Croatia) gained in the Olympic Qualification tournament we didn't compete in have less and less effect on their own points totals.

    Looking at the teams immediately above South Africa, I'm not sure they can improve their position at all, even if they do win Division 3. After this year's tournaments, it is the 2003 tournaments points that will disappear. The 3 teams currently above South Africa (New Zealand, Iceland and Mexico) in the rankings all scored less points than South Africa in that year. Two of those (Iceland and Mexico) are guaranteed to score more points than than the South Africans this year. Although New Zealand could score less, you only get 20 points more for each position in Division 3, and the Kiwis are 95 points ahead. I can't see those 2 teams being that far apart in Dundalk.

    Ultimately, the ranking system's design prevents significant rises each year, such as going up or down 10 places. Since the ranking is based on the previous 4 years, changes of 3 or 4 places each year should be looked upon as significant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devil10 View Post
    I predict that South Africa will move up 10 spots after this years tournament. They are a good team with excellent potential and will be a force in Div II before long
    "Good team with excellent potential". Welcome to the board, and how about substantiating that statement? :blah:

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    Looking at the points and pre-championship ranking , it looks like there might be a fight over that #12 ranking for those team that avoid relegation round.

    12 GER 1965
    13 NOR 1920
    14 UKR 1920
    15 DEN 1915
    16 ITA 1915

    not a bad chance for Denmark considering they have now lost there best result from 2003.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moedk View Post
    Looking at the points and pre-championship ranking , it looks like there might be a fight over that #12 ranking for those team that avoid relegation round.

    12 GER 1965
    13 NOR 1920
    14 UKR 1920
    15 DEN 1915
    16 ITA 1915

    not a bad chance for Denmark considering they have now lost there best result from 2003.
    it will be a fight over the #11 ranking because KAZ will loose this position for sure. it is also sure that SLO and FRA will be worst seeded next year.

    and please don't forget my austria ;-)

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    Ranking 2007

    2007 Final World Rankings


    (after WC)

    1. (1) Sweden 3,740
    2. (3) Canada 3,670
    3 (4). Finland 3,640
    4. (2). Czech Republic 3,595
    5. (5) Russia 3,535
    6. (6) Slovakia 3,390
    7. (7) USA 3,375
    8. (8) Switzerland 3,250
    9. (10) Belarus 3,025
    10. (9) Latvia 2,995
    11. (12) Germany 2,925
    12. (14) Denmark 2,855
    13. (17) Italy 2,815
    14. (15) Norway 2,780
    15. (13) Ukraine 2,740
    16. (11) Kazakhstan 2,740
    17. (16) Austria 2,695
    18. (18) Slovenia 2,640
    19. (19) France 2,525
    20. (20) Poland 2,395
    21. (22) Hungary 2,320
    22. (21) Japan 2,305
    23. (24) Estonia 2,165
    24. (23) Netherlands 2,155
    25. (25) Lithuania 2,105
    26. (26) Romania 1,970
    27. (28) China 1,860
    28. (27) Croatia 1,850
    29. (31) Great Britain 1,605
    30. (29) Serbia 1,555
    31. (30) Bulgaria 1,500
    32. (32) South Korea 1,320
    33. (33) Israel 1,260
    34. (34) Australia 1,260
    35. (35) Belgium 1,200
    36. (37) Spain 1,090
    37. (40) Iceland 920
    38. (39) Mexico 915
    39. (38) New Zealand 900
    40. (42) Turkey 830
    41. (41) South Africa 770
    42. (43) Luxembourg 710
    43. (44) Ireland 710
    44. (36) North Korea 660
    45. (45) Armenia 390
    46. (-) Mongolia 260

    Note: Number in brackets are the 2006 rankings


    Green - went up

    Red - went down

    After the end of WC I'll complete the list and will change it to the new tables style. These points I've calculated by myself, so here can be mistakes.
    Last edited by Aldair; 13-05-2007 at 21:55.

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    Two remarks:

    1) The most significant positive movement made by Italy (+4), negative - by North Korea (-8) and Kazakhstan (-5)

    2) There are three real contenders for the 9th Olympic spot: Belarus, Latvia and Germany. It will be very interesting WC next year - two tournaments in one! We can say that these three teams will try to defeat each other more than to reach playoff:)
    Switzerland is unreachable; Denmark chances are more than theoretical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aldair View Post

    2) There are three real contenders for the 9th Olympic spot: Belarus, Latvia and Germany. It will be very interesting WC next year - two tournaments in one! We can say that these three teams will try to defeat each other more than to reach playoff:)
    Switzerland is unreachable; Denmark chances are more than theoretical.
    There is another twist to this: since the three team will be allocated to three different preliminary groups, only two of them will be paired in the QR if they make to the qualifying round. The third team will be paired with a supposedly weaker team in the QR, e.g. Italy, Denmark etc. All things equal, this third team is most likely to end up 9th!

    But are you sure there is an automatic #9 olympic spot?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Karsten View Post

    But are you sure there is an automatic #9 olympic spot?
    Nope, I'm sorry, you are wrong. Only #1 - #8 are automatically qualified.
    http://forums.internationalhockey.ne...71&postcount=4

    The only thing that matters is #12, which gives home advantage in the OG qualifying tournaments. It will most likely be either Denmark or Italy. IF the IIHF sticks to the current group allocation procedure and not re-introduce the 'out of the hat' draw, then it will be decided in group D: Denmark vs Italy. There's the game you were looking for!

    Btw, I have been looking at the 2008 pre-ranking. That's what matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Karsten View Post
    Nope, I'm sorry, you are wrong. Only #1 - #8 are automatically qualified.
    http://forums.internationalhockey.ne...71&postcount=4....
    That link you are quoting is from an older news story on iihf.com.

    The most up to date version of the qualification, as outlined here: http://forums.internationalhockey.ne...ead.php?t=4869
    now states that there will be 9 teams directly qualified after Canada 2008.

    The remaining 3 spots will be determined using a similar process that determined the 3 teams for Turin '06
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    Won't Germany be hurt a lot by loosing their 9 place in 2004, in the pre-ranking?
    I think the 9 rank is out of reach for Germany if either Belarus or Latvia makes it to the qualifying round.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moedk View Post
    Won't Germany be hurt a lot by loosing their 9 place in 2004, in the pre-ranking?
    I think the 9 rank is out of reach for Germany if either Belarus or Latvia makes it to the qualifying round.
    Okay, in this case Latvia, Germany and Denmark (and perhaps Italy) will battle it out for the right to host the OG qual. Two of them will host the tournaments.

    Here are my calculations of the 2008 pre-rankings

    8. Switzerland 2000
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    9. Belarus 1885
    10. Latvia 1820
    11. Denmark 1800
    12. Germany 1800
    13. Italy 1760

    14. Norway 1735
    15. Slovenia 1620
    16. France 1550

    Ukraine, Austria and Kazakhstan not included in the calcs.

    Calculation:
    2005 IHWC 25%
    2006 OG 50%
    2006 IHWC 50%
    2007 IHWC 75%

    Assuming that IIHF sticks to the current group allocation procedure, and that Belarus, Germany. Latvia and Denmark makes it to the QR, then Latvia and Denmark will battle it out in one QR group while Germany will need to beat Belarus to be sure to end up at least #11 in the 2008 IIHF rankings. After the IIHF changed its mind, Italy now only has a theoretical chance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aldair View Post
    2007 Final World Rankings

    27. (28) China 1,860


    Note: Number in brackets are the 2006 rankings


    Green - went up

    Red - went down

    After the end of WC I'll complete the list and will change it to the new tables style. These points I've calculated by myself, so here can be mistakes.

    Mmmm, China was relegated but gain one position? strange....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davide View Post
    Mmmm, China was relegated but gain one position? strange....
    Not really look below them, 4 teams lost their spot, properly because they lost a good result from 2003 and China a bad one, the relegation will really first hurt China the following years.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aldair View Post
    2007 Final World Rankings

    27. (28) China 1,860
    28. (27) Croatia 1,850
    29. (31) Great Britain 1,605
    30. (29) Serbia 1,555
    31. (30) Bulgaria 1,500

    Note: Number in brackets are the 2006 rankings

    Green - went up

    Red - went down

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    Quote Originally Posted by moedk View Post
    Not really look below them, 4 teams lost their spot, properly because they lost a good result from 2003 and China a bad one, the relegation will really first hurt China the following years.
    Actually, GBR gained two spots, they are only marked with the wrong colour.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davide View Post
    Mmmm, China was relegated but gain one position? strange....
    They gain one position because they are being rewarded for their promotion the previous season. They'll drop next season as they are punished for this season's relegation. It is one of the anomalies of the ranking system. Because you get more points for finishing last in Division 1 than you do for winning Division 2, the impact of promotion/relegation has a 12-month delay on it.

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    Ranikng 2007 was updated. Scroll up to post #14.

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    1. (1) Sweden 3,740
    2. (3) Canada 3,670
    3 (4). Finland 3,640
    4. (2). Czech Republic 3,595
    5. (5) Russia 3,535
    6. (6) Slovakia 3,390
    7. (7) USA 3,375
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    8. (8) Switzerland 3,250
    9. (10) Belarus 3,025
    10. (9) Latvia 2,995
    11. (12) Germany 2,925
    12. (14) Denmark 2,855

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    13. (17) Italy 2,815
    14. (15) Norway 2,780
    15. (13) Ukraine 2,740
    16. (11) Kazakhstan 2,740
    17. (16) Austria 2,695
    18. (18) Slovenia 2,640
    19. (19) France 2,525
    20. (20) Poland 2,395
    21. (22) Hungary 2,320
    22. (21) Japan 2,305

    It feel like we will hava a solid top 12 for 4-5 years ahead. I cant see any nation behind the teams 8-12 how can challange them. Hoppfully will the teams 8-12 close the gap to big 7 but frankly I think the gap have been bigger. Switzerland and Latvia feeld stronger a couple of years ago. But it feels like Belarus and Denmark will develop. I hope Germany to, but I dont beliv it before they prove me wrong.

    The big change in the 4-5 years to come will be in the 13-21 groupe. Hungary will rise and Ukraine will fall.

    Most intressting teams in the groupes:

    Big 7: USA
    Next five: Denmark and Belarus.
    Limbo 10: Hungary

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    I have created my own ranking system, based on the Elo rating system, used by the chess federation and more. The idea is: Winning against a bad team gets you few points, winning against a good team gives you many points. But losing against a bad team causes you too lose many points.

    That is the basic idea, but some modifications are needed, for example so that a match in the Olympic Games gets worth more than a Friendly match. Also some formulas for giving a nation a correct starting point have been added. Finally, nations that have not played for a while must get there points reduced.

    I can provide a list for each year (or date in fact), but here is the list as of 2007-11-12

    1. Russia 9961
    2. Canada 9878
    3. Sweden 9873
    4. Finland 9790
    5. Czech_Republic 9700
    6. USA 9684
    7. Slovakia 9668
    8. Switzerland 9581
    9. Germany 9498
    10. Belarus 9449
    11. Latvia 9352
    12. Austria 9258
    13. Denmark 9232
    14. Norway 9197
    15. Ukraine 9194
    16. France 9170
    17. Slovenia 9154
    18. Kazakhstan 9150
    19. Italy 9135
    20. Poland 9034
    21. Hungary 9013
    22. Japan 8990
    23. Great_Britain 8839
    24. Estonia 8822
    25. Lithuania 8819
    26. Netherlands 8776
    27. Romania 8590
    28. Croatia 8533
    29. China 8463
    30. South_Korea 8434
    31. Belgium 8310
    32. Australia 8290
    33. Serbia 8275
    34. North_Korea 8244
    35. Israel 8206
    36. Spain 8171
    37. Bulgaria 8081
    38. Iceland 7748
    39. Mexico 7682
    40. South_Africa 7555
    41. New_Zealand 7532
    42. Luxemburg 7388
    43. Ireland 7379
    44. Turkey 7316
    45. Mongolia 7183
    46. Armenia 6535
    47. Hong_Kong 6367
    48. Thailand 5388*
    49. Kuwait 4314*
    50. Chinese_Taipei 3197-
    51. Malaysia 2740*
    52. United_Arab_Em 2739*
    53. Macau 1753*
    54. Greece 1627-
    55. Liechtenstein 1447*

    '-' means that the nation has played too few matches to get a full score - minimum 10 matches must have been played
    '*' means that the nation has not played for 2 years, which means minus points

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    If ranking points are tied, what happens?

    Such is the case this year with Ukraine/Kazakhstan, Israel/Australia, and Luxembourg/Ireland.

    I've tried to give more weight to the newest event, less weight to the newest event, more weight to the oldest event, less weight to the oldest event. And none of those ideas agree with the actual rankings.

    I'm interested solely because of the potential tie between Latvia/Germany or Latvia/Denmark or Latvia/Germany/Denmark following the 2008 WC. (Fortunately, Belarus won't end up tied with these teams since they have an odd number right now.)

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    According to IIHF's Sport Regulations the latest placing counts.

    Page 7 in the IIHF Sport Regulations says:

    "In case two or more teams are tied with the same overall points
    the most recent better final position is decisive for being ranked higher.

    But you're right, this explains current rankings of Ukraine vs. Kazakhstan, Australia vs. Israel, but not why Luxembourg is ranked ahead of Ireland.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric View Post
    1. (1) Sweden 3,740
    2. (3) Canada 3,670
    3 (4). Finland 3,640
    4. (2). Czech Republic 3,595
    5. (5) Russia 3,535
    6. (6) Slovakia 3,390
    7. (7) USA 3,375
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    8. (8) Switzerland 3,250
    9. (10) Belarus 3,025
    10. (9) Latvia 2,995
    11. (12) Germany 2,925
    12. (14) Denmark 2,855

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    13. (17) Italy 2,815
    14. (15) Norway 2,780
    15. (13) Ukraine 2,740
    16. (11) Kazakhstan 2,740
    17. (16) Austria 2,695
    18. (18) Slovenia 2,640
    19. (19) France 2,525
    20. (20) Poland 2,395
    21. (22) Hungary 2,320
    22. (21) Japan 2,305

    It feel like we will hava a solid top 12 for 4-5 years ahead. I cant see any nation behind the teams 8-12 how can challange them. Hoppfully will the teams 8-12 close the gap to big 7 but frankly I think the gap have been bigger. Switzerland and Latvia feeld stronger a couple of years ago. But it feels like Belarus and Denmark will develop. I hope Germany to, but I dont beliv it before they prove me wrong.

    The big change in the 4-5 years to come will be in the 13-21 groupe. Hungary will rise and Ukraine will fall.

    Most intressting teams in the groupes:

    Big 7: USA
    Next five: Denmark and Belarus.
    Limbo 10: Hungary

    That is not a solid 12 Norway, battles for it to, they arep laying their 2nd in a row top div tournament, and also you have forget Austria..

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    IIHF Ranking 2008

    2008 Final World Rankings


    (after WC)

     CountryPointsMovement
    1 (2) Canada 3,410+1
    2 (5) Russia 3,400+3
    3 (1) Sweden 3,400-2
    4 (3) Finland 3,385-1
    5 (4)Czech Republic 3,265-1
    6 (7) USA 3,105+1
    7 (8)Switzerland 3,020+1
    8 (6)Slovakia2,955-2
    9 (9)Belarus2,8450
    10 (11) Germany2,740+1
    11 (10)Latvia2,740-1
    12 (14) Norway2,735+2
    13 (12) Denmark2,660-1
    14 (13) Italy2,580-1
    15 (18) Slovenia2,460+3
    16 (17) Austria2,445+1
    17 (15) Ukraine2,435-2
    18 (19) France2,410+1
    19 (16) Kazakhstan2,405-3
    20 (21) Hungary2,220+1
    21 (20) Poland2,175-1
    22 (22) Japan2,1200
    23 (25) Lithuania1,970+2
    24 (24) Netherlands1,9350
    25 (23) Estonia1,930-2
    26 (28) Croatia1,790+2
    27 (26)Romania1,770-1
    28 (27)China1,650-1
    29 (29) Great Britain1,6450
    30 (30) Serbia1,4250
    31 (32)South Korea1,365+1
    32 (31)Bulgaria1,305-1
    33 (33) Australia1,3000
    34 (35) Belgium1,230+1
    35 (34)Israel1,190-1
    36 (36) Spain1,1200
    37 (38) Mexico1,010+1
    38 (37)Iceland965-1
    39 (39) New Zealand8900
    40 (43) Ireland775+3
    41 (40)Turkey765-1
    42 (41) South Africa755-1
    43 (42) Luxembourg695-1
    44 (44) North Korea6450
    45 (46) Mongolia415+1
    46 (-) Greece240new
    47 (-) Bosnia & Herzogovina200new
    48 (45) Armenia200-3

    Note: Number in brackets are the 2007 rankings


    Green - went up

    Red - went down

    These points I've calculated by myself, so here can be mistakes. I will fix it after IIHF publishes the official rank.
    Last edited by Aldair; 22-05-2008 at 18:43.

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    The immediate conclusion is that Top-7 isn't Top-7 any more!!!! We can talk about Top-6 or Top-8 since Switzerland has took the 7th place!! :)
    Last edited by Aldair; 17-05-2008 at 23:49.

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