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Fri May 16th, 2008. 1:00pm EST ( = CET - 6)
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We must win unlike at the Moscow-2007.
I think Russia is clear favorite in this game. Anyway, underdog position has always suited FIN fine, as we also saw in Moscow last year.
FIN has nice and tight overtime victory over USA behind with a good game performance, RUS has a effortless SUI game. Does this has any effect? Can russian stars play together like a team, when it comes to the decisive games?
In my predictions, anything can happen in this game.
Fotorobot
15-05-2008, 08:44
hope for Russia winning even without Kovy
Alessandro Seren Rosso
15-05-2008, 09:43
Don't want to sound rude, but Kovalchuk made nothing in this WC. Maybe now we can reunite the ZZM line and score a couple of goals with them.
Vpered, Rossiya!!!!!!!
well this one is hard for me to predict. i like both teams. let it be a 2-2 tie after 60 mins and a tough and lucky win for suomi in ot or even so.
Acroni767
15-05-2008, 13:06
Rus - Fin 4-2
Frankly I can only see one winner in this game. Finland owns the Russians. Team Finland are pure world class. Russia have only world class players but not a world class team.
Two times in the last years have the brave and glories finnish Lions eaten up the lame russian bears. First in the Olympics and last year in Moskwa. Finland will take a place in the final so its up to Tre Kronor to make it a all Nordic final....Finland are all ready in the final.....
Nightmare
15-05-2008, 21:05
Frankly I can only see one winner in this game. Finland owns the Russians. Team Finland are pure world class. Russia have only world class players but not a world class team.
Really? How many world titles does Finland have? What about Olympic titles? One and nothing, yes, indeed, world class!!
Tyrfingr
15-05-2008, 21:07
This one will be a real close one. The russians may be a little too much inclined to play on individual skills, but i think we will se a more team based approach when going up against the lions. My guess and hopes are on Finland, and i think it will be a tight game possibly going to OT.
Tyrfingr
15-05-2008, 21:12
Really? How many world titles does Finland have? What about Olympic titles? One and nothing, yes, indeed, world class!!
In their defense, they have repeatedly beaten the Russians in finals. But of course to point them out as given winners beforehand isn't very humble, i could grant you that.
Really? How many world titles does Finland have? What about Olympic titles? One and nothing, yes, indeed, world class!!
Would you please elaborate the connection between history success and playing as a solid team this year?
Your lack of intellectual line of argument saddens me. So does your lack of reading comprehension.
Finland surely is the underdog, but as seen many times before, that position suits the Finnish team. Physical play and team spirit are the keys to beating team Russia, which is known to have world class superstars, whose ability to play as a team is not that world class. We'll see a close match, and the team capable of controlling themselves will yet again have the upper hand. Ilja Kovaltchuk-esque stupidies are not affordable anymore.
Nightmare
15-05-2008, 23:12
Would you please elaborate the connection between history success and playing as a solid team this year?
Your lack of intellectual line of argument saddens me. So does your lack of reading comprehension.
Finland surely is the underdog, but as seen many times before, that position suits the Finnish team. Physical play and team spirit are the keys to beating team Russia, which is known to have world class superstars, whose ability to play as a team is not that world class. We'll see a close match, and the team capable of controlling themselves will yet again have the upper hand. Ilja Kovaltchuk-esque stupidies are not affordable anymore.
It is not just the form of a team, or a periodic value that gives it it's class, especially when called "world class", as Eric did. It is about winning at the highest level, about consistency and many other aspects. If a team has a good year, plays well and delivers some good results, it does not automatically mean that it is phenomenal. That is only achieved when you constantly produce. Finland does indeed produce, but i would not compare it to Canada, the Czech Republic or Sweden for they simply lack the number one place.
So it seems that you are the one that has rushed into making unfounded acuses without first trying to understand where i was pointing. Sad...
Fotorobot
16-05-2008, 01:42
Don't want to sound rude, but Kovalchuk made nothing in this WC. Maybe now we can reunite the ZZM line and score a couple of goals with them.
Vpered, Rossiya!!!!!!!
well, being the best assistant is nothing?
Fotorobot
16-05-2008, 01:43
Frankly I can only see one winner in this game. Finland owns the Russians. Team Finland are pure world class. Russia have only world class players but not a world class team.
Two times in the last years have the brave and glories finnish Lions eaten up the lame russian bears. First in the Olympics and last year in Moskwa. Finland will take a place in the final so its up to Tre Kronor to make it a all Nordic final....Finland are all ready in the final.....
always interesting why finns and lions who never lived in Finland?
Fotorobot
16-05-2008, 01:46
This one will be a real close one. The russians may be a little too much inclined to play on individual skills, but i think we will se a more team based approach when going up against the lions. My guess and hopes are on Finland, and i think it will be a tight game possibly going to OT.
Krueger after defeat said that he never saw before how Russian team showed the real teamplay this game.
Russia will break the recent jinx and qualify for the final. Finland has played well, but they have not played as consistent as the Russians in this tournament. Russia wins 5-2
Marc Brunengraber
16-05-2008, 05:31
Russia by a 4-3 score.
SharksAttack
16-05-2008, 07:40
Really? How many world titles does Finland have? What about Olympic titles? One and nothing, yes, indeed, world class!!
Really? How many world titles does RUSSIA have? What about Olympic titles? One and nothing (I know CIS won in 1992), yes, indeed, world class!!
(I don't count Soviet Union here, I think Sergei Fedorov is only player this year played for USSR in IHWC)
Finland must annoy Russia so they stop playing as team and starts making mistakes.
always interesting why finns and lions who never lived in Finland?
who knows. there were probably some prehistoric lions (panthera leo) inhabiting suomi thousands of years ago :)
SharksAttack
16-05-2008, 09:17
always interesting why finns and lions who never lived in Finland?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coat_of_arms_of_Finland
Alessandro Seren Rosso
16-05-2008, 09:23
well, being the best assistant is nothing?
Honestly yes. Kovalchuk is my favourite player, but one can't deny that his player this WC has been well under the expected. "Thanks" to his absence, today we will see again the ZZM :c239: that is better than ZM+K
Vpered, Rossiya!!!!
This game is the first test for Bykov as coach. If he finds suitable words for players and corrects mistakes made in the previous game(I mean game against Fins in Moskow) then Rus will win. If Rus loses - may be he isn't the right coach for Rus. I vote for Rus: 4:2.
Quite needless arguing. I don't see any connection between this game and Finnish final-losses in nearby history. I still think this game will be very hard to predict. Anything can happen. I of course hope for FIN success, if I think Russians can't anymore be simply judged as "individuals, not team".
It is true that team Finland has disheartening record from final games of big tournaments. I see the problem in still quite young pro-hockey-culture of finland. Finland has been a punching bag for big hockey nations for abt. 1920-1980, and that kind of history can’t be easily overwritten in emotional stage. So-called “culture of winning” is still developing.
So it seems that you are the one that has rushed into making unfounded acuses without first trying to understand where i was pointing. Sad...
Eric's point was to state that Finland's team play is world class, unlike team Russia's. It seems like you pretty much missed that point.
Team can be world class in many ways; a team can have long-term success and many gold medals and thus be a world class team. This is what you're referring to, but unfortunately it has nothing to do with Eric's point or the subject of discussion; I only wanted to note that your historical argument was irrelevant. On the other hand, a team can be tactically-wise world class and play as a solid team. Eric was referring to the latter, which is the very foundation of Finnish hockey. Finland may not have the likes of Ovechkin or Heatley in their roster, nor the uncountable amount of gold medals achieved in the ancient times, but the Finnish way of playing is world class. That was Eric's point, that is my point, and that is the point you've missed.
World class by definition means being able to compete at the top. Ignoring this definition entirely and arguing against it with historical facts is a logical fallacy. So, please answer me:
Would you please elaborate the connection between history success and playing as a solid team this year?
But I understand. Finland is not world class this year, because they lost the gold medal game back in ie.1994, 2007 and 2006 OG. That's a valid argument. :c239:
in my mind...world class team= "top7" team
lets hope finland owns russian bears again :)
3-4 finland
RexKramer
16-05-2008, 15:24
Got Russia up for the finals this year. They just have to succeed again, it's been too long...
And I guess no one can deny, they just play the best to watch hockey. Hawaii or not, it just looks so good.
Seriously, this year they have everything, including a top goaltender so I think they will get past the Finns concrete defense.
Nightmare
16-05-2008, 16:08
Eric's point was to state that Finland's team play is world class, unlike team Russia's. It seems like you pretty much missed that point.
Team can be world class in many ways; a team can have long-term success and many gold medals and thus be a world class team. This is what you're referring to, but unfortunately it has nothing to do with Eric's point or the subject of discussion; I only wanted to note that your historical argument was irrelevant. On the other hand, a team can be tactically-wise world class and play as a solid team. Eric was referring to the latter, which is the very foundation of Finnish hockey. Finland may not have the likes of Ovechkin or Heatley in their roster, nor the uncountable amount of gold medals achieved in the ancient times, but the Finnish way of playing is world class. That was Eric's point, that is my point, and that is the point you've missed.
World class by definition means being able to compete at the top. Ignoring this definition entirely and arguing against it with historical facts is a logical fallacy. So, please answer me:
But I understand. Finland is not world class this year, because they lost the gold medal game back in ie.1994, 2007 and 2006 OG. That's a valid argument. :c239:
from Eric:"Two times in the last years have the brave and glories finnish Lions eaten up the lame russian bears. First in the Olympics and last year in Moskwa. Finland will take a place in the final so its up to Tre Kronor to make it a all Nordic final....Finland are all ready in the final....."
Yup, no historical references indeed.
Friends are coming over to watch the games and drink pivo, I cant wait it will be a great Hockey Night. First our brothers and at last Tre kronor. Two great games.
I hope Finland will play a fast, tecnical and phsical hockey, Finland have blend the best of Europe and North america in its hockey. The game in the semifinal in OG 2006 are the best game played by a national team in this century.
Nightmare
16-05-2008, 18:10
Davai Rossia! Davai! Davai!
Russia is obviously nervous. Childish errors.
Line- Ups
http://www.internationalhockey.net/flags/flags_ani/Russia.gif Russia (red jersey)
20 Nabokov Evgeny
1st line: 5 D Nikulin Ilya, 52 D Markov Andrei, 95 F Morozov Alexei, 42 F Zinoviev Sergei, 25 F Zaripov Danis
2nd line: 22 D Korneyev Konstantin, 37 D Grebeshkov Denis, 28 F Semin Alexander, 29 F Fedorov Sergei, 8 F Ovechkin Alexander
3rd line: 45 D Proshkin Vitali, 51 D Tyutin Fedor, 33 F Sushinskiy Maxim, 21 F Gorovikov Konstantin, 10 F Mozyakin Sergei
4th line: 55 D Markov Daniil, 7 D Kalinin Dmitri, 61 F Afinogenov Maxim, 27 F Tereshchenko Alexei, 47 F Radulov Alexander
http://www.internationalhockey.net/flags/flags_ani/Finland.gif Finland (white jersey)
32 Backstrom Niklas
1st line: 27 D Jokela Mikko, 4 D Koistinen Ville, 8 F Selanne Teemu, 11 F Koivu Saku, 16 F Peltonen Ville
2nd line: 6 D Vaananen Ossi, 33 D Salmela Anssi, 15 F Ruutu Tuomo, 9 F Koivu Mikko, 12 F Jokinen Olli
3rd line: 40 D Lepisto Sami, 19 D Luoma Mikko, 36 F Jokinen Jussi, 39 F Kapanen Niko, 38 F Pihlstrom Antti
4th line: 7 D Niemi Antti-Jussi, 21 D Niskala Janne, 10 F Pirnes Esa, 23 F Hahl Riku, 37 F Pyorala Mika
Game available on streaming here: http://www.myp2p.eu/broadcast.php?matchid=12462&part=sports
perfect counter-attack by Russia and goal!!!!!
1-0 Fedorov!!!!
amoracing
16-05-2008, 19:21
Russia/Fedorov scores 1-0 with a real beauty..:c186:
Nightmare
16-05-2008, 19:21
GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAL!! Rusia 1 Finland 0 Sergei Fedorov!!
Tokyo Bucks
16-05-2008, 19:21
Wow, very pretty 3 on 1 goal finished off by Fedorov! This is gonna force the Finns to open up, good stuff.
Nightmare
16-05-2008, 19:53
GOOOOAAAAAAAAALLLL!!!! Danis Zaripov!! 2-0!!
Russia is much better second period.
Speed is good.
nerazzurro
16-05-2008, 20:25
ovechkin rullzzz! what a player!:c239:
Alessandro Seren Rosso
16-05-2008, 20:27
Semin is also great in this match. We are playing intelligently. Go Russia go!!!!!
By the way, Fotorobot, have you seen our great line ZZM? They are better without Kovalchuk.
Vpered Rossija davaj davaj davaj!!!
amoracing
16-05-2008, 20:29
Very good defensive play by Russians - I can't remember having seen so disciplined defensive play by team Russia.
Russia has eliminated their weak point here. At the same time, Finland doesn't capitalize a few changes they had. From Finland's perspective, doesn't look good. Doesn't look good at all...
amoracing
16-05-2008, 20:45
Ovechkin cross-checks Salmela, who falls onto Semin. Salmela gets 2min penalty for boarding. :c165:
joergnapp
16-05-2008, 21:00
I'm very surprised by the russian play, and at the same time quite disappointed by the finnish one. They make silly errors.
Acroni767
16-05-2008, 21:03
Morozov Tsar !!!!:c032:
Acroni767
16-05-2008, 21:04
Also 2 x times too many FIN players on ice ? Thats tooooooo much for elite team.
Acroni767
16-05-2008, 21:15
Russia has taken an easy win!
joergnapp
16-05-2008, 21:20
Yes, very very silly errors plus an astonishing discipline of the russion team. However, you can't win when you don't score :)
Nightmare
16-05-2008, 21:20
Just want to see what Eric will say now, because there is no dubt now that Finland si a WORLD CLASS team. Guess Russia must by Universal class:c032:
4-0!
well, we've avenged for Moscow-2007. With reserve :)
Well done by Russia! Maybe this time they finally will make it till the end, to get the first gold since 93... If Canada win tonight - we get the greatest 100 IIHF years final one can think about!!!
pihinalle
16-05-2008, 21:32
Congrats Russia! They really played great defensively. That's the way they can beat even Canada.
amoracing
16-05-2008, 21:38
Hate to admit but Russia was clearly better team tonight. Yet, calling the victory _easy_ implies the commentor hadn't seen the 60mins of hockey game, just the goals..:c165:
Finland didn't play physical (clean hits etc) as expected, like they did against both North-American teams, making pressure to the defense. In the meanwhile, team Russia played very disciplined defense and in overall with a very clever strategy as a team. Finland worked hard and so was slightly controlling the game for the first two periods (even though 0-2 down after 2 periods) but Russian scored very effectively out of just a few chances. Third period was just hanging around.
Anyways, congrats Russia!
Finland fights back for bronze, watch out..:c150:
Nightmare
16-05-2008, 21:38
I am getting sick of you. Can you please stop that. Russia has only 1 win too. I'm sure thats what been said about hockey in your country where there is only propaganda and kommunits so shut our f*** up. Nightmare the mister everything know comes from Romainia where the knowledge of hockey is on such a high level. :c105: :c105: :c105: :c105: :c105: :c105: :c105: :c105:
If you cannot behave like normal people then f*** off. As you know you are a one silly person.
I have nothing against Finland or the finnish, or the swedish, or anyone else for the matter! I just like teasing Eric, because his views are, for me, a bit narrowminded. I don't mean to insult anyone, and understand that you are a little pissed off because your country lost, but are you sure you should insult me like that? I think i should be the one asking for penalties after what you just said, but won't because of the reasons i just mentioned. And just for your info, Romania isn't under a communist regime for about 18 years, me being 21, you might get the picture about how much communist my education was/is, as i am a student of Electrical Engineering still.
Jep congrats, well what can I say. Their tactic was suprising but exelent. They defended all the time very well and on very few attacks they scored. Finland did score on their chanches and didnt deserve to win. Still I think Finland dominated but couldt get anything out of it. It was their turn to win after they have lost so many times against us in QF and SF.
Masters can you please do something about nightmare
Not sure, can you refer to a specific post where he violated the board rules? I can refer to several where you did. :c008: I understand your anger, it is never fun to lose in the semis, but...
Anyway, I am not a moderator, and as long as they are not here I suggest we all keep it cool.
I have to agree with some of the comments here. It feels like it has been ages since the last time, but tonight Russia really played as a team. A very deserved win.
And if everything goes well..from a neutral stand, we can look forward to two great medal games.
Ok guys, let's keep this simple and on topic and not resort to anything else.
Russia really outplayed suprisingly lame Finland today. Nice payback for them for the last year's SF. Couple killer-counter-attacks with nice finishing. I still think Russia has to really improve in the final when meeting the predicted team Canada.
Nightmare: You should really behave. It's just hockey, don't take it too seriously.
Anyway, congrats russia! If you meet Canada in the final, I hope you will win :c205:
Still I think Finland dominated
In the first period only.
In the second and third periods there was a clear domination of Russian team.
I only saw parts of the game due to work. Russia really surprised me (and Team Finland) and played great defensive game with stingy counterattacks. That's how they got a 2-0 lead. If Finland had gotten the first goal the Russians would have had to open their game and the match could have turned out differently. Doug Shedden didn't seem to find a way to counter this Russian strategy.
Last time I remember Russia playing defensively was in the 2002 IHWC. Back then too they reached the final. Maybe the Russians should consider making this tactic the norm.
In any case I am now really hoping for a Canada-Russia final. The two best teams in the tournament and history would be made for sure. Either a host team wins for the first time since 1986 or Russia wins for the first time since 1993.
Nearly forgot, Congrats to Russia! I'll be cheering for you no matter who is your opponent in the final.
Great, the best game! Finland was good, but Russia better. Hope Finland take 3-rd place. Sweden team outsider between 4 final teams.
congrats russians! "bunker" hockey has been succesful in this tournament so far :)
hey, selanne, relax... :D we lose, and opponent was just way better
Very nice by Russia, there is no doubt Finland is over exhaustive with this years team. Perhaps it's time for Finland to start rebuilding, like Sweden is doing, the team is Veteran (keep Saku though :c032: )
Russia I had no doubt would reach the end, perhaps another team would have upset them, but it is the do or die and that changes mentality.
I know Russians are hoping for a win, but it's in Canada, can't support a gold for you guys this year.:c165:
Very nice by Russia, there is no doubt Finland is over exhaustive with this years team. Perhaps it's time for Finland to start rebuilding, like Sweden is doing, the team is Veteran (keep Saku though :c032: )
Russia I had no doubt would reach the end, perhaps another team would have upset them, but it is the do or die and that changes mentality.
I know Russians are hoping for a win, but it's in Canada, can't support a gold for you guys this year.:c165:
i don't like word rebuilding when speaking at national teams, we pretty much had our best available players, and this time it was just not enough. And being at top 4 is not too bad. Bronze is still a medal
Reestablish then the team energy. :c032:
Reestablish then the team energy. :c032:
game was just too early, i mean clock was there in canada someting like 2-4pm. :c032:
Russia played like the Czechs against Finland a very suprising victory for Russia. Russia will now play its 3 World championship final in the countrys history, well done Russia.
Fotorobot
17-05-2008, 11:45
great game - great tactics, great players. We should stop Canada )
Nightmare
17-05-2008, 11:58
Russia played like the Czechs against Finland a very suprising victory for Russia. Russia will now play its 3 World championship final in the countrys history, well done Russia.
Russia is the one that has inherited the Soviet Union's and CIS' history, so it's not their 3rd final, more like something over 30th final. If Quebec will become independent(very plausible) will Canada lose all it's silverware? Doubt it, really.
Russia is the one that has inherited the Soviet Union's and CIS' history, so it's not their 3rd final, more like something over 30th final. If Quebec will become independent(very plausible) will Canada lose all it's silverware? Doubt it, really.
It's the 3rd time for team Russia to be in the final.
Russia is the one that has inherited the Soviet Union's and CIS' history, so it's not their 3rd final, more like something over 30th final. If Quebec will become independent(very plausible) will Canada lose all it's silverware? Doubt it, really.
It dosent matter that IIHF have done, Russia arnt Soviet its two diffrent things. I think the same of Czechoslovakia, Czech.Republic and Czechoslvoakia are to diffrent things. The glory of Soviet belongs to Soviet and the glory of Russia belongs to Russia no less and no more.
Its like to say the crimes against humanity made by Soviet are inherited by Russia. Its not, Russia are one nation and Soviet are a other historical nation no longer existing. Soviet stoped to exist on the 8 of december 1991.
Russian can look back in its dominated roll in the Soviet hockeyprogram whit pride but its to diffrent programs whit to diffrent cultures and two diffrent nations.
And its only the 3 time Russia are in a World Championship final and Russia have still only one win.
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